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Old 07-13-2007, 12:01 AM
 
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Here are two quotes
1. "Larry Schweiger, chief executive officer of the Natural Wildlife Federation, said Florida could see two-thirds of its current beaches vanish under the waves by the end of this century, as melting ice in Greenland is depositing 90 cubic miles of water into the oceans each year."

Ok, I can buy that and we don't really know to what extent of a land loss that would be since beaches represent just a sliver of land directly on the ocean amounting to very little.

2. A little later in the day Bobby Kennedy takes that quote and makes it, "Two thirds of Florida will be under water by the end of the century, it is a certainty".

A far different meaning then what he was quoting, but does he care. They can't just be honest it is to foreign to their nature. What is the point of even listening, it is a lock you are going to be lied to.
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Old 07-13-2007, 09:17 AM
 
Location: downtown Sarasota
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In the 70's leading scientists were worried temperatures were falling too quickly and that we were facing a new ice age. They were looking into ways to melt the polar caps to warm things up. Go figure.

I remember the aerosal issues as well. I hate to think this is all "propoganda", we should have been greening all along.
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:59 PM
 
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check this article out... Top Global Warming Advocate: Jupiter & Saturn Closer To Sun Than Earth
Live Earth kingpin dismantles his own credibility on national radio as propaganda bandwagon is massive flop




Live Earth's half empty stadiums and lackluster TV viewing figures were preceded by another embarrassment after one of the propaganda bandwagon's kingpins and a top global warming advocate responded to a question about solar-system wide climate change by claiming that Jupiter, Mars and Saturn were closer to the sun than Earth.

David Mayer de Rothschild is the youngest child (born 1978) of Sir Evelyn de Rothschild, of the British wing of the Rothschild banking family.

Rothschild's recent book, 77 Essential Skills to Stop Climate Changes, calls for ordinary people to limit outward behavior and even work at home and was used as part of the PR blitz to accompany the Live Earth project.



Appearing on The Alex Jones Show this past Friday, Rothschild reacted to a point about massive climate change at every point of the solar system and its relation to natural sun cycles by claiming Mars, Saturn and Jupiter were closer to the sun than Earth!

Here's a brief transcript of the exchange.

ALEX JONES: "The polar icecaps of Mars are receding at several miles a year, much faster than ours and that the moons of Saturn and Jupiter are melting, in fact several of their moons were ice and are now liquid seas - how are SUV's causing that David Rothschild?

ROTHSCHILD: "Because those planets are closer to the sun, my friend."

ALEX JONES: "No, Jupiter and Saturn are not closer to the sun and neither is Mars."

Rothschild then quickly changes the subject and when the point is raised again later in the show, he makes no effort to correct himself.

Click here for the clip. Listen to the full MP3 of the interview by clicking here .

Last time we checked, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were all orbiting the sun at a greater distance than Earth.



Rothschild's hilarious screw-up is yet another example as to why the general public remain unconvinced by the error-strewn apocalyptic admonitions of the climate cult .

A Mori poll released last week found that a majority of the UK population were still skeptical about man-made global warming and believed the threats were being exaggerated for political purposes and to make money.

Throughout the radio appearance, Rothschild parrots empty sound bite platitudes about there only being "one earth," while failing to address recent scientific analysis which reveals that the oldest plant DNA ever discovered showed that "the planet was far warmer hundreds of thousands of years ago than is generally believed," again underscoring the fact that climate change is a routine and natural phenomenon that has occurred throughout earth's history.

Although Rothschild stresses the existence of just one earth on numerous occasions, it appears as though he thinks there is another one earth orbiting the sun - at a greater distance than Saturn or Jupiter!

He also glibly repeats the charge that the radio station he was appearing on, the Genesis Communications Network, was bankrolled by the oil industry and that was the reason for challenging the monopoly on truth that the man-made global warming crowd attribute themselves.

Deliciously ironic therefore it is that big oil men like the chairman of British Petroleum Peter Sutherland are fanning the flames of global warming hysteria in order to create artificial scarcity and drive up prices, while also getting fat off the peak oil scam, another charade manufactured by the oil companies and gleefully embraced by phony environmentalists.

General Lord Guthrie, director of N.M. Rothschild & Sons, also recently called for the elite to, "Address the global climate crisis with a single voice, and impose rules that apply worldwide," (global government).



In addition, it was the Rothschild family itself that helped fund the Rockefellers to create the first giant trusts and oil monopolies in the late 19th century.

Every time a public figure or scientist dares to question the global warming orthodoxy, they are savaged as being in bed with oil companies and yet it is the oil company chieftains that are pushing climate change harder than anyone.


Madonna, owner of 6 evil gas-guzzling cars and producer of 440 tonnes of CO2 during her Confessions tour, performs at Live Earth in London.
Rothschild's red-faced gaffe was allied with an embarrassingly lukewarm response to this weekend's Live Earth propaganda extravaganza, at which we saw hypocritical pop stars perform to half-empty stadiums around the world.

The television audience also fell way below expectations and the event was branded a "foul-mouthed flop" by newspapers. Just hundreds turned up to one of the events held in Washington at which Al Gore appeared.

"Organisers of the global music concert - punctuated by swearing from presenters and performers - had predicted massive viewing figures," reports the Daily Mail .

"But BBC's live afternoon television coverage attracted an average British audience of just 900,000. And the peak audience, which came when Madonna sang at Wembley, was a dismal 4.5million. Three times as many viewers saw the Princess Diana tribute on the same channel six days before."

"Two years ago, Live 8 drew a peak television audience of 9.6million while Live Aid notched 10million in 1985."

As more jet-flying celebrity hypocrites lecture us on changing our lifestyle and as more "experts" fail to get even the most basic facts correct, expect more acolytes to desert the cause and for global warming to be consigned to the dustbin of scientific theory, just as the "global cooling" scare of the 70's quickly evaporated under widespread ridicule.
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Old 07-13-2007, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Living in Paradise
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Lightbulb Crist signs orders on gas emissions

Hope this happens...

To the accompaniment of loud applause and flashing cameras, Gov. Charlie Crist on Friday formally signed a series of executive orders, aimed at bringing Florida in line with California as having most stringent greenhouse gas reduction laws in the nation.

"We will follow the great governor of California's example," Crist said, as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger stood by him on a podium during the signing ceremonies in a ballroom packed with dignitaries, business leaders and environmental activists and media. "He has set the lead."

The orders call for:

#Electric utilities to reduce emissions to 2000 levels by 2017, to 1990 levels by 2025 and by 80 percent of 1990 levels by 2050.

# Florida to adopt California motor vehicle emission standards, which call for a 22 percent reduction in vehicle pollutants by 2012 and 30 percent by 2016 -- but are still pending approval by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

# Consumer appliances to increase efficiency by 15 percent of current standards.

As part of the last order, Crist also requested that the Public Service Commission, which regulates state utilities, to require electric companies produce 20 percent of their power from renewable energy sources, preferably solar and wind energy.
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:44 AM
 
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Whole Islands inhabited by people have disappeared into the ocean for the first time in 2006.

"Climate Change" is therefore happening, and its effects being felt by real people whether or not you believe it or experience it yourself. Is it "human made"? While the vast consensus of scientists is "yes" with but a handful of detractors, I don't see WHY lessening our environmental impact through "greening" our way of life is EVER a bad thing?

The only people vested in passing "global warming" off as a "hoax" are those that ALREADY make billions: oil companies, coal companies, the auto industry.
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Old 07-14-2007, 10:55 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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I don't see WHY lessening our environmental impact through "greening" our way of life is EVER a bad thing?
I'll agree with that. If I'm offered a reasonable alternative, I always choose the "greener" of the options.

But I don't do it because I'm worried about global warming. I do it because I firmly believe it's more practical to re-use our waste and use fewer resources in the long run.
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Old 07-14-2007, 01:12 PM
 
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Whole Islands inhabited by people have disappeared into the ocean for the first time in 2006.

"Climate Change" is therefore happening, and its effects being felt by real people whether or not you believe it or experience it yourself. Is it "human made"? While the vast consensus of scientists is "yes" with but a handful of detractors, I don't see WHY lessening our environmental impact through "greening" our way of life is EVER a bad thing?

The only people vested in passing "global warming" off as a "hoax" are those that ALREADY make billions: oil companies, coal companies, the auto industry.
I am not disputing it but I never heard about it. What were these islands?
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:52 PM
 
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I am not disputing it but I never heard about it. What were these islands?
Lohachara Char, India:

CLIMACTION: Global warming claims first inhabited island


About 9 years ago an uninhabited Island in Kiribati also went underwater. Kiribati is also seeing sea levels rise in other areas of the Atoll as well. New Zealand actually takes in 75 or so "climate change refugees" from Kiribati each year.
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Old 07-14-2007, 03:22 PM
 
Location: South Florida
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Here's a more credible source, IMO:

Lohachara Island - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lohachara Island was an islet which was permanently flooded in the 1980s.[1] It was located in the Hooghly River as part of the Sundarban delta in the Sundarban National Park, located near the Indian state of West Bengal The definite disappearance of the island was reported by Indian researchers in December 2006[2], which lead to international press coverage.

The islet is one of a number of "vanishing islands" in India's part of the delta: in the past two decades, four islands – Bedford, Lohachara, Kabasgadi and Suparibhanga – have been permanently flooded and 6,000 families have been made homeless.[3] The loss of land has created thousands of refugees in the area.

There are multiple causes[4] of the disappearances of islands in the delta, including sea-level rise (partly due to global warming), coastal erosion, cyclones (while the number of cyclones has decreased, their intensity has increased),[5] mangrove destruction and coastal flooding.
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Old 07-14-2007, 03:39 PM
 
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Lohachara Char, India:

CLIMACTION: Global warming claims first inhabited island


About 9 years ago an uninhabited Island in Kiribati also went underwater. Kiribati is also seeing sea levels rise in other areas of the Atoll as well. New Zealand actually takes in 75 or so "climate change refugees" from Kiribati each year.
Without doing any research on these particular islands this actually happens quite often. My guess is these islands have not been there for thousands of years and have now disappeared. They were probably spoil islands that come and go and it was due to erosion. Sometimes they just sink.
Look at the link Eufo's post.
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