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Old 10-25-2007, 11:14 AM
 
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This is the concern: illegal immigrants are leaving town. And builders are worried the crackdown will deprive them of the labor they need to take part in a building boom in which Panama City's Beach cheap spring-break motels are being torn down and replaced with high-rise condos.

We have a visa system designed to ensure that IF workers are needed because no American or legal residents can be found to do the work, then workers can come in to do those jobs.

Seems to me that greedy contractors are just trying to bypass the laws in place. I have no sympathy for them.

Save a buck while the taxpayer picks up the tab for support.

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Subcontractors could not function without immigrant laborers for painting, rebar and steel work. They are the best workers," he said. "Without them, the cost of construction would be 10 times as much and nothing would get built."
Ah, the new slave economy. Work harder for less money!

Of course, there's a difference between "immigrant" laborers and "illegal immigrant" laborers.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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It's about time! Did it ever occur to anyone because there is a problem with lack of English skills causing problems on the job and safety issues in the construction of many buildings. And that's bull that no one will do the work. There are many unemployed U.S. citizens who have lost their jobs to illegals and would love them back. I am one of them as is a gardener I know and that's only between two people. It's massive across the U.S. Don't get me started.
You people who put down the illegal immigrants kill me! I have yet to see an illegal standing on the side of the road begging for money like I have seen plenty of Americans doing. I have a business in construction and illegals work far more harder than most Americans! I pay the same as I pay anyone else. So don't think that they are taking other peoples jobs because they work for less money. I gave a homeless American $20 and my husbands phone# if he wanted a job. He never called!Believe me if illegals had the opportunity now like they did 10 yrs. ago to be apart of society they would be doing things legally, for example, driving with DL's from the state they reside and would have insurance too. If each state would pass a law for these people to have the proper ID. they would also be in the "system" and we could keep track of them easier, if they should break the law. If they are repeat offenders than they should get deported. No brainer.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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We have a visa system designed to ensure that IF workers are needed because no American or legal residents can be found to do the work, then workers can come in to do those jobs.

Seems to me that greedy contractors are just trying to bypass the laws in place. I have no sympathy for them.

Save a buck while the taxpayer picks up the tab for support.



Ah, the new slave economy. Work harder for less money!

Of course, there's a difference between "immigrant" laborers and "illegal immigrant" laborers.
Illegal immigrants do not always work for less money. They are hard workers, too. I have worked in construction for a while and Americans complain about everything. I am American myself and there are some things I would never do to jeopardize my life. Like standing at the very top of a 6' ladder to paint something 10' high. because my boss didn't want to give me the proper size ladder for the job. I even worked for a company and one of my American co-workers was drinking beer on the job. I told my boss and he was walked off of the job. I am not knocking all Americans, but you shouldn't blame illegals for our downfall. If we could live how they do in there own country, we would be grateful for any opportunity given to us. We are spoiled!
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Old 07-01-2009, 04:14 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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A ruling class that does not enforce its own laws is no longer worthy of the name government, it becomes another petty mafia competing for power among men in society.

What set US society apart in the late 18th Century was the social pact, the Constitution, based on the rule of law, not a society based on family connections, cronyism and illegality, like most societies in human history.

The challenge of the 21st Century is whether the United States remains a society based on rule of law or whether it joins the mainstream of human history as a society based on cronyism and so-many petty mafias competing with each other, making up the rules, if any, as they go along, carving up the land and its resources like so many fiefdoms.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:04 AM
 
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GREAT!

No wonder there are no available jobs for my nephew (Roofer 20YRS+ experienced) in Panama City.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Most of the illegal construction workers in the Panhandle headed out a year to a year and a half ago when the condo boom/Ivan reconstruction petered out. Accounts I've heard are that a lot of them moved on to New Orleans and the MGC for Katrina reconstruction projects.

There are still some here and there, but it's not like 2006 when you'd see them crowded around the Publix customer service desk every Sunday to use Western Union to send money back home.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:34 AM
 
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Finally, someone working to enforce the law! How long will it be before some liberal lawyers sue the Sherriff's department and the illegals pour back in.
There should be no benefits for illegal aliens. If you want to come to the US, do it legally like our ancestors did.


It's a pointless political stunt.

No manner of enforcement is going to stop illegal immigration. Economic problems require economic solutions.

The sherriff should be arresting the contractor. Remove the supply of funds and they have no reason to come here.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:34 AM
 
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The problem is not the illegals working. That is a red hearring. The culpibility lies with the employers who hire the illegals to work. Such employers pay lower wages which increase the odds they will be awarded a contract thereby (1) perpetuating the use of illegals in the construction industry, (2) taking contracts away from reputible contractors who must pay a higher wage to those entitled to work in the US, and (3) committing tax fraud on the State and federal level by paying under the table, (4) providing often shotty work by unskilled illegal labor, (5) violations of the federal immigration laws, and (6) often violating the minimun wage and overtime laws.

The problem is not in the illegals working, but the employers who hire them. Hire them and they will come.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Exactly....... What I think.

Next they will have the good ole ACLU fighting for their rights...
Which are also your rights.

Which is the point.

Or do you think the government shouldn't have to obey the rules?
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