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Old 07-05-2011, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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This is an oversimplification. Teacher's salary/benefits don't necessarily equate to a better educated child.
Are you saying you're going to hire the best, most experienced teachers by paying them less? The days of paying someone in "sunshine" or room and board are over, dude. Start making it hard for a teacher to make a living and all you'll get are teachers right out of school themselves, and eventually you won't even get them. Keep repeating the mantra that Florida considers teachers unworthy of a decent paycheck, and they'll avoid this state. One thing about teachers-they're generally not stupid and their training is transferable to many other occupations.

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Old 07-05-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Miami
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I just don't see how people didn't see this coming. Education is one of the largest parts of the state budget. Did people really think he wouldn't touch education and cut everything else?
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Old 07-05-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Englewood, FL
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Let me express it this way so we won't get tangled up in word choices. Any social issues (homosexuality, religion, ethics, etc) should be taught by the parents according to their beliefs and values. It should not be couched by any type of political viewpoint that the teacher, school system, or union has. That should not be the focus of a child's school day. Learning the skills to live and work in society should be the focus --Math, Science, Literature, Art, Music, History, etc. Not a social agenda that some may not adhere to.

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Hmmm, not really. If you mean being gay/lesbian it's not a choice. So are you referring to the choice to not have children, the choice to not marry, the choice to not attend church...? There's lots of choices.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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Let me express it this way so we won't get tangled up in word choices. Any social issues (homosexuality, religion, ethics, etc) should be taught by the parents according to their beliefs and values. It should not be couched by any type of political viewpoint that the teacher, school system, or union has. That should not be the focus of a child's school day. Learning the skills to live and work in society should be the focus --Math, Science, Literature, Art, Music, History, etc. Not a social agenda that some may not adhere to.
I agree 100%. The sticky part comes from who chooses the curriculum. Unfortunately it's usually driven by the squeakiest wheels on the PTA or those politically motivated on the school board and out of the hands of teachers. Of the group teachers I find typically operate without a hidden agenda.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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All I'm gonna say is this: people voted for the guy, and now they have to deal with the consequences. Why they did so is beyond me, but who am I to dictate whom they should have voted for? We're all entitled to have choices.

Either way, it still sucks that, even if you didn't vote for him, you still have to deal with him. I just hope he doesn't do anything too stupid between now and the next gubernatorial election. There are times when I think political figures should try living as ordinary civilians, if only for a day or two. I'm sure most would re-think their opinions if they did.
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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WHAT ELSE COULD HE DO. The state has NO MONEY!!!!!! You have to make cuts and education is a huge part of the states budget. They need to make cuts. Rather have some cuts across the board then a bankrupted state.
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Englewood, FL
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When a family is doing badly financially, they make cuts to their budgets, sometimes painful cuts. They sell their house and rent, if it costs less to do so. They use their kids' college money to pay bills. They sell family heirlooms on Ebay. They forgo vacations, cut down on food expenses, cancel the cable. All of it hurts. Why should Florida be different? That's life. It happens.
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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Or they get a second job-what they don't do is build Taj Mahal court houses.
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Old 07-06-2011, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Englewood, FL
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Or they get a second job-what they don't do is build Taj Mahal court houses.
That too.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:16 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Apparently the Governor thinks we're all stupid
Well... More then half of Florida's voters did vote for him... So maybe for him it's a "knows" and not "thinks"..

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