[DanBev]

Everyone complains,the problem is corrupt Washington enabling corrupt companies and lobbyists.Why are encumbents voted in over and over?They represent everyone but us.Rich get richer and the poor get poorer.These demostration's will prove nothing and only get uglier.

[Ga Jerk]

Originally Posted by DanBev

Everyone complains,the problem is corrupt Washington enabling corrupt companies and lobbyists.Why are encumbents voted in over and over?They represent everyone but us.Rich get richer and the poor get poorer.These demostration's will prove nothing and only get uglier.

I agreed.

The left (democrats) pander to the poor and the right (republicans pander to the rich.

Meanwhile the middle (majority) gets no support.

We should put in term limits (why do some folks have a seat in Congress for 40 years?!).

Ban paid lobbyists (unions, big business, ect).

End pork barrel spending.

Require a balanced budget.

Cut military spending by 50%

Cut U.S. military bases on none U.S. soil by 95%.

Legalize drugs (and us the profit for rehab and education).

I could go on all day...

[MovedfromFL]

Originally Posted by Ga Jerk

I agreed.

The left (democrats) pander to the poor and the right (republicans pander to the rich.

Meanwhile the middle (majority) gets no support.

We should put in term limits (why do some folks have a seat in Congress for 40 years?!).

Ban paid lobbyists (unions, big business, ect).

End pork barrel spending.

Require a balanced budget.

Cut military spending by 50%

Cut U.S. military bases on none U.S. soil by 95%.

Legalize drugs (and us the profit for rehab and education).

I could go on all day...

But... If we cut our vast military industrial complex, the THEY (terrorists) will kills us all! (Isn't that what one politician said recently?)

Translation: my campaign is funded by donations from the military heavies (and contractors) so we better keep that gravy train funded.

We HAVE to get our government down to only providing what the people want that can be paid for with current tax revenues.

Unfortunately, nobody understands that this would mean about a 42% cut of all government spending.

[LowDip]

I live near an Air Force base and they could stand to cut some spending. They tear down and build new buildings like it's going out of style.


And I understand the protests but it's not like there's a 'fix this' button on Wall Street. And I doubt anything will happen soon.

[MartinEden99]

If you want to really solve problems, you first have to evaluate the system which creates the environment for such problems & ask "why does this happen?".

The authority & reach of a central government. Because not only does it have the ability to institute policies that the vast majority of people do not want or benefit from, it has the ability to also obfuscate the accountability of such policy. This happens by allowing the very people you can hold accountable (by voting out) to vote down a bill because their district may not support it (when they believe the votes are in already). And giving too few people, too much power to issue out funds, means there are less people for big lobbyists to "bribe" (err...lobby) in order to enact policy that continues to benefit those who have the means to bribe.

And what policies do we enact in response? They issue mandates or fed-backed guarantees to do "things" for people. These "things" always sound great on the surface.

They could be providing a loan for a house/education in exchange for a guarantee of re-payment to the financial institution if default occurs, which might because the cost of education has inflated over the years due to the obfuscation of the cost to the point that an actual "job" doesn't pay enough to re-pay the loan.

Or accepting people under health insurance who couldn't otherwise get it and reimbursing the insurance corps a rate that is outrageous because the cost of medical treatment is outrageous and has been inflated due to obfuscation of cost to the end user for so many years.

Or (indirectly) funding 2 sides to the same war by not enacting policies which allow us to fuel our cars & buildings 100% domestically. Yes, we are indirectly funding both sides of the terrorism war when we have to engage in military action in the Middle East because a major portion of the world's oil supply is in danger of being monopolized or potentially disrupted. Arguing whether we should pull out of some place like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or any other country close to the Middle East is pointless unless you are ready to shellshock our lifestyle by pulling out & potentially allowing those with greater aspirations (or who's people are angry at their inadequate economic conditions) to try & take control of the supply. So, we continue to pay an inflated rate for oil because the world market supports it, and the end result is that a solid portion of that inflated oil price trickles its way into societies that continue to churn out terrorists.

I could go on & on with my spiel here, but the common denominator always goes back to obfuscation & no accountability. Almost as if our elected "idiots" have either been "tricked or treated" into enacting policies which end up benefiting the wealthy class which naturally has the means to employ, bribe, and control policies by continuing to acquire more & more wealth & power.

Now...acquiring more wealth thru bad policy is NOT the fault of the wealthy, its the fault of our elected "idiots" who have managed to solve their own problem first (which is being able to get re-elected & of course, having a nice things for their family) by abstracting their own role in policy formation/decisions. This allows them to confuse the general public by spinning any issue into their ideology. "Well, don't you think sick people should get medical help?"..."Don't you think we should help those who have less means than others?"...."Don't you agree the government should get out of the way of business?". All BS... because in the end, they lump about 100 lbs of pet projects onto the 2 lbs of legitimate policy to be done. And it isn't that the 100 lbs of "pet projects" aren't worthwhile or have any value to them...its the way they are put in & our ability to hold people accountable for them.

This is why I always go back to the need to get back to checks & balances in government. Government can & should be working for us, but it doesn't today. It doesn't because we've lost the value of our vote by giving that authority to the subset of people at the federal level. So they can play games with their votes, don't actually need to have a real position on an issue, just go there to barter for "something" for their district so they can go back and proclaim how wonderful they are for getting a water treatment plant or some similar item that the state could have handled itself...under the watchful eye of the voter.

You certainly need to have a federal government for true national policies, but that role should not be any larger than absolutely necessary because we cannot afford to keep allowing big corp to get its way with big gov...whether thru trick or treat. So if you want to make changes...start by distributing more & more authority to state levels as we can vote them out when they screw us.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by bbronston

Curious...if almost 50% of the population pays no federal income tax, how can 99% be overtaxed? Also, what does this group propose as a solution to the problem as they perceive it? These are honest questions...

Kind of like the Tea Party activists that make less thank 50k

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by bbronston
Curious...if almost 50% of the population pays no federal income tax, how can 99% be overtaxed? Also, what does this group propose as a solution to the problem as they perceive it? These are honest questions...

I've also wondered why many complain about their tax burden then complain about those who pay no tax,isnt paying no tax or as little tax as possible where its at? And for those paying tax would changing places with some one who pays no tax make them happy?


The 99%'s at this point are a leaderless movement with an undefined solution to their cause,they just know Wall St. is screwing the American public..

[jamierenae]

INTERESTING they all had the same look what a bunch of freeloaders.... tax the rich? well the rich are the ones that supply the jobs... is anyone thinking clear?????

[jamierenae]

2012 cant come soon enough!!!

[Maggi07]

Originally Posted by jamierenae

INTERESTING they all had the same look what a bunch of freeloaders.... tax the rich? well the rich are the ones that supply the jobs... is anyone thinking clear?????

Yeah, you're right. Stupid freeloaders. CLEARLY if we only gave the enormous corporations even more money, they would hire more people! They have more money than they have ever had in history! No wonder the economy is booming! This is awesome!

Oh, wait......