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Old 12-24-2011, 07:13 AM
 
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Exactly, which is why our crime rate is always way up there.

If Florida would ever enact a state sales tax it would fix quite a bit. It would enable spending for social services, infrastructure and education versus always cutting from them, weed out some overpopulation through those who are allergic to taxes, and remove some of the stigma of a low cost of living which might stem some of the influx of those who have "run out of options".
FL has a sales tax. It brings in quite a bit of revenue. You probably meant an income tax, which is actually forbidden in the constitution, thankfully. I don't want FL to turn into another welfare state like CA, IL or NY

CA and IL are broke and have the worst credit ratings in the country
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Old 12-24-2011, 07:57 AM
 
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FL has a sales tax. It brings in quite a bit of revenue. You probably meant an income tax, which is actually forbidden in the constitution, thankfully. I don't want FL to turn into another welfare state like CA, IL or NY

CA and IL are broke and have the worst credit ratings in the country
Oops, I did mean income tax.

FL is broke too and can't continue to slash budgets every year as something has got to give. Broke economies with broke constituents don't function well. Furthermore, providing social services doesn't equate to being a welfare state. Given the state's decreasing incomes in relation to cost of living and the lack of jobs paying over $10 an hour in this state, what do we suppose will happen to people should they be laid off/unable to find a job or suffer catastrophic illness while working (or not) without adequate health care coverage?
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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FL has a sales tax. It brings in quite a bit of revenue. You probably meant an income tax, which is actually forbidden in the constitution, thankfully. I don't want FL to turn into another welfare state like CA, IL or NY

CA and IL are broke and have the worst credit ratings in the country
I agree with you, those states have HUGE problems. Don't want an income tax. The money would be squandered. However, I am not opposed to paying a bit more in property taxes, taxes are really quite low. But I would want to see the money used wisely, on things like schools, parks and other amenities that are important for quality of life.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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i had heard mid-decade previously, but the trend is there nonetheless. NY is only getting growth from NYC. People are fleeing the rest of NY state.
Wrong, as you know better than that. Many Upstate metros had small growth during the past decade, long with all of Downstate NY.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

List of unemployment by Metro Area across the states. You can compare areas in Upstate NY to those in Fl. One thing to remember many of those cities have campuses of SUNY, and businesses related to them, and that will give lower unemployment. Think Gainesville and who is the biggest employer there.
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas

List of unemployment by Metro Area across the states. You can compare areas in Upstate NY to those in Fl. One thing to remember many of those cities have campuses of SUNY, and businesses related to them, and that will give lower unemployment. Think Gainesville and who is the biggest employer there.
Along with many private schools, hospitals, small spinoff manufacturing firms, insurance jobs and various forms of tech jobs. Central New York Jobs

On top of this, COL is about the same as FL, all things considered.
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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Wrong, as you know better than that. Many Upstate metros had small growth during the past decade, long with all of Downstate NY.
Right. Why did your state lose 2 house seats again?

realestate.yahoo.com/promo/top-10-states-people-are-fleeing.html

At No.1 on our list, New York is expected to wave goodbye to 49,000 more people than it gains this year. The state has seen a steady loss of residents over the past five years, losing an average of 100,000 people per year. Karp explains that, because New York is a large state, it may report greater movement than others, but notes that population size is not the only reason residents are fleeing.

"In order to move, you need to be able to sell your home," says Karp. "The housing market [in New York] has not gone through the meltdown that other states have gone through."

While New York homeowners may have a slightly easier time selling their homes and moving to greener pastures, a competing trend is the number of unemployed renters who can no longer afford the high cost of living in and around New York City. Karp says the expensive lifestyle and high taxes may force the long-term unemployed to move on to more affordable regions.
Top 5 States People Are Fleeing

No. 1: New York

Projected Loss: 49,000 people

Population: 19.7 million

Percentage Change: -0.25%

The Big Apple may lose more people than it gains in 2010 because of the depressed job market, high cost of living and an ongoing trend of retirees and job-seekers heading to the South and Southwest.
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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Oops, I did mean income tax.

FL is broke too and can't continue to slash budgets every year as something has got to give. Broke economies with broke constituents don't function well. Furthermore, providing social services doesn't equate to being a welfare state. Given the state's decreasing incomes in relation to cost of living and the lack of jobs paying over $10 an hour in this state, what do we suppose will happen to people should they be laid off/unable to find a job or suffer catastrophic illness while working (or not) without adequate health care coverage?
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I agree with you, those states have HUGE problems. Don't want an income tax. The money would be squandered. However, I am not opposed to paying a bit more in property taxes, taxes are really quite low. But I would want to see the money used wisely, on things like schools, parks and other amenities that are important for quality of life.
I agree. I just think that an income tax would be squandered. Property taxes would be kept locally, and as such,I would be less opposed to that.
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Old 12-24-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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Right. Why did your state lose 2 house seats again?

realestate.yahoo.com/promo/top-10-states-people-are-fleeing.html

At No.1 on our list, New York is expected to wave goodbye to 49,000 more people than it gains this year. The state has seen a steady loss of residents over the past five years, losing an average of 100,000 people per year. Karp explains that, because New York is a large state, it may report greater movement than others, but notes that population size is not the only reason residents are fleeing.

"In order to move, you need to be able to sell your home," says Karp. "The housing market [in New York] has not gone through the meltdown that other states have gone through."

While New York homeowners may have a slightly easier time selling their homes and moving to greener pastures, a competing trend is the number of unemployed renters who can no longer afford the high cost of living in and around New York City. Karp says the expensive lifestyle and high taxes may force the long-term unemployed to move on to more affordable regions.
Top 5 States People Are Fleeing

No. 1: New York

Projected Loss: 49,000 people

Population: 19.7 million

Percentage Change: -0.25%

The Big Apple may lose more people than it gains in 2010 because of the depressed job market, high cost of living and an ongoing trend of retirees and job-seekers heading to the South and Southwest.
New York is not just NYC. I say that as a Manhattan native. It actually makes me MAD that people always think that. I left NYC because you can't buy a HOUSE in Manhattan and I wanted space to raise a family. We didn't have to leave the state to do that, although we did look at Westchester and NJ. A lot of people who leave NYC either don't leave the state, or just move to another state within commuting distance. My daughter left NYC too, and moved 30 miles away!!!! My other daughter moved to Florida, and left after 4 months, and went back to NY. How many people leave Florida and go back to WHERE THEY CAME FROM???? Oh, working in Florida's schools, I have know many who moved back to where they came from. In Naples, that usually meant the MidWest somewhere.

Anyway NYS still has a far lower unemployment rate than Florida.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:04 PM
 
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Google FL and road safety and you will find accordig to the NTSB that FL is one of the worst states in regards to highway safety. Having more people come here isn't a good thing when the roads can't support the traffic.

FL is the deadliest state in the nation for pedestrians.

Also a lot of people who come to FL don't plan well. It is scary to read some of these posts(especially when children are involved) of people who move with limited savings and no jobs.

Having people flock to one area when there aren't jobs and an infrastructure to support them is not a good thing.

And FL is also a magnet for lowlifes from all over.
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