[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by chopchop0

Ah yes, the common "FL is bad because they don't spend enough on education" fallacy. Things like AP test scores, graduation rates and standardized testing would suggest that FL is actually in the middle of the pack in the country.

FL comes in at #47 out of the 50 states in students completing HS.

Yes it is bad when real teaching goes by the wayside due to a teachers only being worried about FCAT scores so they can keep their jobs.

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Originally Posted by **NoodLes**

That's what happens when you live in a state with no income tax. You attract low paying jobs and greedy corporations from out of state that use the entire state as a wealth building tool, thus less funds from taxes to go to roads, education, etc. Its a cruel cycle that Floriduh will never break. Its a tricky balance between who benefits most, corporate wealth or more low paying jobs where education is not valued.

You do realize that states with the highest taxes, including income taxes, are also the ones that are having the most financial difficulty?

Florida's revenue stream is just fine, Florida is around 21st in tax revenue per capita, that would put it above quite a few states with an income tax.

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Originally Posted by EndersDrift

Crappy jobs?

Bill Gates - no degree
Steve Jobs - no degree
Michael Dell - no degree
Mark Zuckerberg - no degree
Paul Allen - no degree
Richard Branson - no degree

Law Enforcement
Sales
Electricians
Contractors
Designers
Entrepreneurs - this isn't just tech but any industry. I have two friends in complete different fields. One made a fortune starting a commercial landscaping company down in Ft Myers. The other started a Commercial Carpet Cleaning service that does a majority of the hotels around Orlando.
Real-Estate Investors
Stock Investors
Store Owners
Store Managers
Computer Programmer
Mechanic
Plumber
Journalists

Just to name a few of these so-called crappy jobs.

Again the only thing that requires a degree are things strictly regulated like Lawyer, Doctor, Architect, Structural and Civil Engineer. Then Professors and Teachers.

The majority of jobs in the world don't require degrees.

Many jobs require a degree, not those that you listed. My job requires a degree, my company (finance sector) will not even look at someone without one. Military commissions require a degree for the most part, so do a whole host of other fields.

While it is debatable if a degree is required for some of these fields at the entry level, fact is many employers use college as a filtering tool for their entry level programs. Too many court decisions regarding EEO have occurred for an employer to really risk having their own entry level system, any adverse impact will invite a lawsuit from the gov.

As far as the things on the list, even Bill Gates hires college grads, many of the jobs at Microsoft require a degree and they will not look at you without one, same with Dell, Apple, and the others.

Business owners of course do not need a degree, but i will venture to say that many do hire people with a degree, especially when it comes to finances if it is a larger type of business. Many plant managers have a degree as well whereas decades before it was rare.

I am an electrician by trade, but got out of that business a long time ago.

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"Its because the average employee would rather hire someone with work experience over a degree every single time without question but people are spending to long in school learning skills that employees don't care about."

Of course employers want experience first, but fact is that unless people are born with experience, someone is going to have to teach them. Many employers have entry level positions, many of those positions are reserved for college grads. My employer even has a great entry level program and recruits only college grads, and it even recruits just from a handful of schools. There is a long list of employers that only recruit people out of college for certain positions.

Of course a person can work their way up, it happens frequently, but less so now days. But the process is much faster with a degree, and there will not be that glass ceiling when the non-degree person gets up towards the top. I work around a few of the tech types who just have some certs and no college, but they will never be the senior project manager, or the IS manager, it just will never happen.

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Originally Posted by seain dublin

This thread is about education. That is why FL works best for retired people, not for young families with children.

Florida had a very high % of the top high schools. State and district rankings are useless for the individual. You can get in zone for good school if you try.

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

FL comes in at #47 out of the 50 states in students completing HS.

Looking simply at graduation rates without considering other things like Newsweek high school rankings, SAT scores, AP test rankings and other standardized testing doesn't give a complete picture.

It's easy to manipulate graduation rates by making it easier to graduate.

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Originally Posted by vaughanwilliams

And yet they keep on getting elected and re-elected. This is what happens when you let the thieves draw the voting districts. This is what happens when people vote for a candidate because they're "pro gun" or "anti-gay" or because they're "good Christians" or have "family values". I hate to sound cynical, but the citizens of Florida (and elsewhere) deserve what they get.

This isn't the first time Alexander has thrown a temper tantrum when someone questions his superiority.

i'm anti gun, pro gay and didn't vote for any of these freaks. unfortunately i'm in the minority here.

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New bill now that will let UF and FSU charge more than others can in tuition.