Red Light Traffic Cameras (Miami, Spring Hill: movies, DMV, income)
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Red-light cameras are legal. Running a red light? That's illegal. Drivers who run red lights selfishly threaten the lives of others on the roadway. These lawbreakers must be held accountable for their careless, risky behavior. Since we cant have a LEO at every intersection, surveillance is necessary since people cannot be trusted to obey a simple law like dont run red lights.
In most states it is illegal for anyone other then a POLICE OFFICER to regulate traffic on the public road ways, thatds how many of thered light tickets are beaten , its a private company that installs and runs them , therefore the illegal action.
Absolutely, not to mention the equal protection problems it creates with the different citations based on it being a camera or not and even worse your economic status. It's a joke of a system and it's all about money not about safety at all. Some cities even started losing money with the cameras. Surprise surprise they got rid of the cameras! They sure do care about the safety.
If i remember right my old drivers test handbook said you have to make a complete stop before you make a right turn on red.. If you are to impatient to make that stop heres your sign $158
]Red-light cameras are legal[/u]. Running a red light? That's illegal. Drivers who run red lights selfishly threaten the lives of others on the roadway. These lawbreakers must be held accountable for their careless, risky behavior. Since we cant have a LEO at every intersection, surveillance is necessary since people cannot be trusted to obey a simple law like don't run red lights.
I would suggest you research the court decisions that state differently.
As I stated many Cities have taken them down because of the one fact that only a police officer can regulate traffic and issue citations.
There is a large corporation in AZ. that sold the idea of safety ( and the money that could be made ) to Cities , but the problem is that the Cities didn't want to spend the required money to install and operate them, they just wanted the money. well they are paying thousand's of $ now to get out of their contracts because they didn't do their home work before intering into the contracts with them.
Additionally the company running the camera's lowered the time durations between Yellow and Red , so as to catch more people , thereby causing a more serious danger, rather then making it safer in an attempt to generate more MONEY!
Traffic light timing, particularly the length of a yellow light in FL is determined under the law.
Not by a company.
Why all the fuss? Just follow the law and everyone will be fine.
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Originally Posted by Fighter 1
I would suggest you research the court decisions that state differently.
As I stated many Cities have taken them down because of the one fact that only a police officer can regulate traffic and issue citations.
There is a large corporation in AZ. that sold the idea of safety ( and the money that could be made ) to Cities , but the problem is that the Cities didn't want to spend the required money to install and operate them, they just wanted the money. well they are paying thousand's of $ now to get out of their contracts because they didn't do their home work before intering into the contracts with them.
Additionally the company running the camera's lowered the time durations between Yellow and Red , so as to catch more people , thereby causing a more serious danger, rather then making it safer in an attempt to generate more MONEY!
If i remember right my old drivers test handbook said you have to make a complete stop before you make a right turn on red.. If you are to impatient to make that stop heres your sign $158
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Originally Posted by Spring Hillian
Traffic light timing, particularly the length of a yellow light in FL is determined under the law.
Not by a company.
Why all the fuss? Just follow the law and everyone will be fine.
Actually they were going to do more studies and most likely increase yellow times, once the cameras came in, at least here in Miami the yellow times stayed the same because hey more money.
We are NOT saying run red lights guys, we are saying the way they are issuing traffic citations is ILLEGAL. The traffic cameras are NOT CONSTITUTIONAL on a few grounds. If you are ok with that and if you think right turns on red are more important than our constitution then so be it but please stop talking to us like we don't care about the law and think we have the right to break it. We just have the right to face are citation issuer in court and we have the right to be treated equally by the law, something these cameras do not allow.
We should go after the Florida Department of Transportation for its deliberate, and possibly dangerous, change to the rules issued on yellow-light timing in July 2011. Before then, yellows were to be timed for the posted speed limit or the 85th percentile speed of approaching traffic, whichever is greater. In July 2011, the "whichever is greater" was removed — thus allowing, or even encouraging, cities to time yellows for the posted limits. This makes the yellows up to about one second too short. This deliberate change by the DOT has drastically increased the use and profitability of red-light cameras.
If the yellows were timed for maximum safety and minimum violations and cities did not illegally ticket safe, slow-rolling right turns on red lights, the entire fraud of the red-light camera industry would collapse. Only by ticketing mostly safe drivers can the red-light camera industry survive in Florida, or anywhere else. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2012-08...light-cameras/
You have the right to contest any traffic ticket you receive but your odds of winning are substantially reduced if theres a stop sign and the law has a video of your car not stopping for it, you can complain all you want about its constitutional legality and how its just a money grab etc. etc. or you can just stop at the stop light/sign.seems like a no brainer to me..
FWIW, this week I received notice of a class action lawsuit against the City of Aventura for those who were cited, and paid the penalty, before Tallahassee officially made the cameras legal.
I'm willing to bet 99% of you do the same thing I did with regularity, yet everyone is suddenly a moral authority. Yeah, you all are perfect angels, never inched up to a traffic light, right? I doubt that. While what I did technically broke the rules, a rolling stop at a right turn red light isn't anywhere close to the same thing as running a red light by blowing straight through an intersection. The configuration of the intersection was such that you had to inch up anyways to see around the cars. Also, the light was yellow as I approached the turn and hit red the exact split second I crossed the line. It was really close like splitting hairs.
This whole thing just seems petty to me. It isn't right. Traffic cams are not legit or legal. A real police officer would not have pulled me over for that. Real police officers use something called discretion. Traffic cams have no discretion and are not legal or legitimate. Sorry, but you people are wrong. I have a feeling with so many willing to live in a surveillance society, in another 10 years it will be like 1984 or Minority Report where we will have thought police.
Absolutely, not to mention the equal protection problems it creates with the different citations based on it being a camera or not and even worse your economic status. It's a joke of a system and it's all about money not about safety at all. Some cities even started losing money with the cameras. Surprise surprise they got rid of the cameras! They sure do care about the safety.
Plus, accidents have INCREASED at many intersections that have these lights. Especially in areas where they shortened the yellow.
LOL safety...right.
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