[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

When in the history of the world have you ever seen a job advertised where no less than 5 people apply for it? Maybe that happens in Smalltown USA, but does not happen in any major metropolitan area and certainly not on a location that is very desirable to live in.

The Clinton-era and prior. There are around 20 million people out of work in this country...do the math, clearly there aren't enough job openings....otherwise at some point most everyone would find a job. Why is it so apparent to everyone else but the fossils who keep living 30 years in the past?

[Spring Hillian]

I guess you were'nt here then. I was in the telecomm operations biz from 78-88. I can assure you that we had 7, 8, 12 people applying for one position in the rare event we had an opening. We would weed out the candidates until we wound up with 3 possible candidates. The job went to the one who we thought would fit into our operations best. My first job in FL had 5 candidates that made it beyond the application stage.

My wife was in the personnel biz around the same time frame. She worked for an employment agency. Her outfit would put an ad in the paper seeking applicants for jobs they were hired to get filled. 20 people + would respond to an ad for a receptionist job, just as many for secretarial and even more for entry level, filing, copy center operators, etc. Same process was used. She'd weed out the best qualified and send them out for interviews with various companies until they got hired. The rest of them were simply sent home and told that they needed to bring their skills up to par.

How many of those 20 million posses any skills or experience beyond graduating high school and working at a
fast food restaurant? Lots of jobs go unfilled because they can't find anyone qualified to do the job, hit the ground running.

You think so much has changed yet so much has remained the same.

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The Clinton-era and prior. There are around 20 million people out of work in this country...do the math, clearly there aren't enough job openings....otherwise at some point most everyone would find a job. Why is it so apparent to everyone else but the fossils who keep living 30 years in the past?

[Spring Hillian]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The Clinton-era and prior. There are around 20 million people out of work in this country...do the math, clearly there aren't enough job openings....otherwise at some point most everyone would find a job. Why is it so apparent to everyone else but the fossils who keep living 30 years in the past?

Do you realize what the unemployment rate was from 75 to 86?
1975 8.5
1976 7.7
1977 7.1
1978 6.1
1979 5.8
1980 7.1
1981 7.6
1982 9.7
1983 9.6
1984 7.5
1985 7.2
1986 7.0


Those before you didnt have a bed of roses laying there for them to step into when they left high school and college either. We survived it.

[Spring Hillian]

Quote:
Originally Posted by The b8nk
you got people with masters degrees fighting for min wage jobs in FL




[QUOTE
What do you have to back up your statement?[/quote]


Of course you have nothing to back it up. Just like other statements you have posted under this, your new screen name.

[Soup Not See]

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

Quote:
Originally Posted by The b8nk
you got people with masters degrees fighting for min wage jobs in FL




[QUOTE
What do you have to back up your statement?

Of course you have nothing to back it up. Just like other statements you have posted under this, your new screen name. [/quote]

Please do us all a favor and post the old screen name ...

[Spring Hillian]

Figure it out.

Originally Posted by Spring Hillian

What do you have to back up your statement?

Originally Posted by leftee

Of course you have nothing to back it up. Just like other statements you have posted under this, your new screen name.

Please do us all a favor and post the old screen name ...[/quote]

[kyle19125]

Below were the Unemployment numbers before the Recession began and were indicative of a labor market that had not been massively downsized as it is now. According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics we have lost nearly 9 million jobs since 2008. The population in the US has grown by around 12 million since 2008. So basic math, we've lost the ability to employ around 21 million people, meaning in essence "it's not the same as it's always been".


Jan 1, 2008 5.00%
Jan 1, 2007 4.60%
Jan 1, 2006 4.70%
Jan 1, 2005 5.30%
Jan 1, 2004 5.70%
Jan 1, 2003 5.80%
Jan 1, 2002 5.70%
Jan 1, 2001 4.20%
Jan 1, 2000 4.00%
Jan 1, 1999 4.30%
Jan 1, 1998 4.60%
Jan 1, 1997 5.30%
Jan 1, 1996 5.60%
Jan 1, 1995 5.60%
Jan 1, 1994 6.60%
Jan 1, 1993 7.30%
Jan 1, 1992 7.30%
Jan 1, 1991 6.40%
Jan 1, 1990 5.40%
Jan 1, 1989 5.40%
Jan 1, 1988 5.70%
Jan 1, 1987 6.60%
Jan 1, 1986 6.70%

[ChuteTheMall]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Those rates no longer show those who lost their jobs, and then after their unemployment benefits ran out, were assumed to be no longer in the labor market.
It doesn't count those who know they can't find work.

And it's really just a telephone poll that omits the margin of error.

The real unemployment rate, U6, is in the mid double digits.

Don't we all know several people who would probably go look for a job if they thought there was a chance of getting one?

Those people are not counted whenever they are not actually seeking work.

Or when they give up in despair.

But if we bring in more illegal and legal aliens, and raise the minimum wage, how could it not get worse?

[JimboFolds]

To the OP and the original question asked..

There are plenty of minimum wage, make a paycheck jobs to be had in virtually every metropolitan area in the US that is not a dying area (meaning an area that just had it's only largest sustaining industry that employed 50% or more of a town collapse).

The issue is not that there aren't jobs or qualified people to work them. You don't need a degree to ask if someone would like fries with that or empty trash cans. You just need to be willing to get off your azz and be willing to do whatever needs done to get a paycheck.
Too many people try to blame the "illegals" for taking away jobs but the fact is that these people are willing to do what too many fat, lazy, self entitled complainers consider to be beneath them. There was a time when people in this country did whatever they had to do, and were willing to start at the bottom and work to the top. Now if they can't make xx dollars because they have a degree they won't take a job at all that pays. There seems to be no understanding that it's better to make some money while you look for something better than to simply do nothing and blame the government, illegals, employers, etc.

If you want a paycheck and are willing to do whatever it takes to earn one there is a job out there for you. Go get it!

[Spring Hillian]

In agree Jimbo. When things were tough in the early 80's it was not uncommon for people to work a full time job and then go to a part time job for four hours. They did what they had to do to keep up with the ever rising costs of rent, food, utilities, the basics. They didnt have to worry about the cell phone bill, the internet bill or the cable bill because at that time we didnt have those things. Those folks did what they had to do when they had to do it.

I agree that today we have people who dont want to or simply wont get their hands dirty. They shun any job that does not meet their expectations of what a job should be. Yes, those with degrees are a problem because they do feel entitled. Everybody had to go to college. Everybody who made it through college seem to be a very unhappy lot because they cant get jobs in their field of study and they refuse to accept anything else. More over, it is that they cant do something else. Book smart, yes. Life smart, no.

I dont see any of these younger people willing to start at the bottom. They want $50k salary, an office, benefits, short commutes, jobs that dont demand much and that is that.

Different generations. They think it was all rose petals and sunny skies when those before them were starting out and maintaining their careers. Somebody they will wake up.

Originally Posted by JimboFolds

To the OP and the original question asked..

There are plenty of minimum wage, make a paycheck jobs to be had in virtually every metropolitan area in the US that is not a dying area (meaning an area that just had it's only largest sustaining industry that employed 50% or more of a town collapse).

The issue is not that there aren't jobs or qualified people to work them. You don't need a degree to ask if someone would like fries with that or empty trash cans. You just need to be willing to get off your azz and be willing to do whatever needs done to get a paycheck.
Too many people try to blame the "illegals" for taking away jobs but the fact is that these people are willing to do what too many fat, lazy, self entitled complainers consider to be beneath them. There was a time when people in this country did whatever they had to do, and were willing to start at the bottom and work to the top. Now if they can't make xx dollars because they have a degree they won't take a job at all that pays. There seems to be no understanding that it's better to make some money while you look for something better than to simply do nothing and blame the government, illegals, employers, etc.

If you want a paycheck and are willing to do whatever it takes to earn one there is a job out there for you. Go get it!