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Old 12-07-2007, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Orlando FL
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There is a group that contends the only way to fix FL's Tax situation is the abolishment off all property taxes. They further contend that property taxes are only a fraction of overall revenue for the state/counties/cities, and that the elimination of some sales tax exemptions and/or a 1-2% increase in sales tax can more than makeup for the loss in property tax revenue.

Of course everything combined with responsible spending practices of government, and the elimination of property taxes is more than a possibility....the group contends.

What do you think?

Not good enough Florida.org ... Home (http://www.notgoodenoughflorida.org/first.html - broken link)
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:37 AM
 
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There is a group that contends the only way to fix FL's Tax situation is the abolishment off all property taxes. They further contend that property taxes are only a fraction of overall revenue for the state/counties/cities, and that the elimination of some sales tax exemptions and/or a 1-2% increase in sales tax can more than makeup for the loss in property tax revenue.

Of course everything combined with responsible spending practices of government, and the elimination of property taxes is more than a possibility....the group contends.

What do you think?

Not good enough Florida.org ... Home (http://www.notgoodenoughflorida.org/first.html - broken link)
I think is makes more sense to talk about real things that can actually happen .
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Vero Beach, Fl
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Taxation will take place one way or another. :-)
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Orlando FL
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I think is makes more sense to talk about real things that can actually happen .
Let's talk about going to the moon.....oh wait that DID happen. Just needed some determination to get there. Apathy about everything can only lead you to nowhere.

I wanted to see if anyone has any solid information or even opinions about what would be good or bad about there being 0 property taxes in FL. Obviously a budget cut of 30% (or more depending if the groups numbers are right) would need to be made up with more than just less spending and more taxes somewhere else. Did you go to the link and read what some of they proposed, or just dismiss it off hand?

I personally don't put much stock in the numbers they quote (as there aren't many) and don't have enough information to vote either way about the proposal. But what I do know is that government always over spends, and the huge property tax increases over the past few years far exceeded the expansion of services, and I know if all property taxes were abolished it would be a HUGE boom for the housing market of FL.

Even if it is a remote possibility of coming to fruition, I'd at least look.

SO, any opinions?
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Old 12-07-2007, 03:56 PM
 
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Taxation of services would be an economic disaster.
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Old 12-07-2007, 05:37 PM
 
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Greg, I watched the video but haven't reviewed the website yet. Yes, I like the idea on its face. This reminds me of the Fair Tax Neal Bortz is pushing. Kind of like a consumption tax. For property taxes, it isn't as much a consumption tax however, there are plenty of fees paid by property owners. Impact fees alone are an example, some around $ 10,000 - $ 12,000.

There is one place that I know of that has absolutely no taxes at all; no income tax, no property tax, no sales tax, no taxes at all. Everything is fee based if you use the service and when it comes to buying property, there is a one time transfer fee at the time of purchase. Their standard of living is higher than America and their currency value is 50 % greater than America's. The place is the Cayman Islands. Just Google it and research their governmental site. We could learn from their example.

Plus, you can't expect non-property owners to want no property taxes and higher fees. They care about them self foremost. If they rent and light bulbs blow, the owner pays, the owner handles maintenance and everything. They argue they pay rent, sure - but if you didn't offer a quality place they wouldn't have wanted to rent the place.

I believe, like the video says, the people need to make the changes. When the recent issue of schools pulling money from the state fund hit the news, it was revealed the state had limited withdrawals of the funds. Why? Because someone at the state level reportedly invested those funds in risky property mortgages. Well guess what happened?
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Old 12-07-2007, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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The real reason the State and all states want property taxes is to CONTROL the properties. This tax denies all people the right to property ownership. It is wrong, and out of line with the Constitution. Then again so is the income tax. We all know that these taxes will not go away as long as the majority of the public remain ignorant.
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:44 PM
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Location: WPB
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I thought this idea was dead in the water a long time ago.

Personally I would love it but it once again would be unfair to others that do not own homes as they will have to pay a higher sales tax.
I would just like to see a completely fair tax system that works for everyone.
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Old 12-07-2007, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Orlando FL
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I actually haven't had the time to look through the entire website myself.

Quick comment about how renters automatically seem against this if it ever came to fruition. Most have no idea that their apartment complex is charged property tax, and this is passed along to them in their rent payments. A good point these people mentioned quickly is that the whole save our homes amendment, while great keeping people from being taxed out of their primary residences, shifts more and more of the property tax burden onto non-homestead properties.....non-homestead properties also including apartment complexes!!! So in reality, people that don't own properties (renters) are paying a larger proportion of the tax burden at non-homestead rates.

Now I doubt if all of a sudden property taxes were abolished all apartments would lower their rents immediately, too much greed there. But it would put pressure on rents to eventually reflect the lower cost.

I'm not even going to mention how great it would be for the housing market, it would be like a 3 point reduction in mortgage rates in terms of affordability!

My biggest worry is the effect on every other parts of the economy with an increase in consumption taxes. I remember one of my first lessons in economics mentioned just because you place a 1% tax on something doesn't mean government will be able to collect the full 1% based on the past, due to the shifting of supply costs lowering demand.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:00 PM
 
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So SKB likes taxes and thinks we need to pay for others path through this world, is that correct?

I'm inclined to agree with Tallrick on this issue: Sounds like a Ron Paul supporter - go rp
I posted this on another forum thread - got it from Tampa.com
December 07, 2007

A huge tax cut, but not the one Charlie wants

The property tax plan up for statewide vote next month is supposed to restart Florida’s economy. But the gloomy housing market already is cutting deeply into projected saving of the plan.
State economists on Friday downgraded the five-year savings by $3.2-billion, or 25 percent. It now stands at $9.2-billion, down from $12.4-billion, largely because not as many people are expected to be moving.
“There’s just no activity now in real estate,” Amy Baker, coordinator of the Legislature’s Economic and Demographic Research Office, said in an interview Friday evening.“People just aren’t willing to make that step,” she said. “They know loans are harder to get and view the economy as riskier.”
The diminished size of could spell further trouble for Gov. Charlie Crist and other backers of the plan, already straining to raise money to sell voters on the Jan. 29 referendum."



But again, taxes are not constitutional and when the many have to pay the way of the few, that is communism disguised as socialism. Our Republic wasn't set up that way nor should we suggest a "completely 'fair' tax system" because there is none in reality or constitutionally.

An interesting point in the above quote - "the economy is riskier" ooh! Loans and sub-prime loans are still available if you know how to get them. But if the economy is "riskier" that is indicative of a larger problem.
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