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Old 04-10-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Many CD posters are convinced that everyone in FL makes $25k a year, works in the tourist trade or in fast food. That is a great fallacy.

Look up the facts.

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Old 04-10-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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The facts would indicate it's closer to the truth. Central Florida sits a few thousand above 25K on average, so it wouldn't be a far cry to suggest 25K as a statewide average.

"Metro Orlando's median pay ranks last among the nation's 50 biggest metropolitan areas, and it has the largest share of jobs — 37 percent — paying less than $25,000 a year."

"Central Florida also has the smallest share of jobs paying more than $50,000. And since 2002, median pay in the region, adjusted for inflation, has fallen by $1,761 — to $29,450."

"While Florida elected officials tout improving monthly job creation figures, the majority of the state’s job openings pay less than a living wage, the Seattle-based non-profit Alliance For A Just Society reported in its 15th annual Job Gap Study. The study released this week reported 13 job seekers for every projected living wage job opening in Florida, with 64 percent of all job openings paying less than a living wage. The report defined living wage for a single adult in Florida as $16.84 an hour based on data from a variety of census sources."


Central Florida low-wage workforce: Central Florida metro area job market is the lowest-paying in the country - Orlando Sentinel

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage
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Old 04-10-2014, 02:44 PM
 
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^ lol thread backfire in progress
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Wake County, NC
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The facts would indicate it's closer to the truth. Central Florida sits a few thousand above 25K on average, so it wouldn't be a far cry to suggest 25K as a statewide average.

"Metro Orlando's median pay ranks last among the nation's 50 biggest metropolitan areas, and it has the largest share of jobs — 37 percent — paying less than $25,000 a year."

"Central Florida also has the smallest share of jobs paying more than $50,000. And since 2002, median pay in the region, adjusted for inflation, has fallen by $1,761 — to $29,450."

"While Florida elected officials tout improving monthly job creation figures, the majority of the state’s job openings pay less than a living wage, the Seattle-based non-profit Alliance For A Just Society reported in its 15th annual Job Gap Study. The study released this week reported 13 job seekers for every projected living wage job opening in Florida, with 64 percent of all job openings paying less than a living wage. The report defined living wage for a single adult in Florida as $16.84 an hour based on data from a variety of census sources."


Central Florida low-wage workforce: Central Florida metro area job market is the lowest-paying in the country - Orlando Sentinel

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage
Sorry, I can't rep you again until I spread it around.

I posted a link to the source of the TBO article several months ago and all the job cheerleaders on here chose to ignore it, as usual.
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Old 04-10-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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The problem I find with the articles quoted is that none of them state what types of jobs make up the "study"

I would think if was as bad as your sources say it is, there would be thousands and thousands of people living on the street or living in tent cities and that any charitable resource would be overwhelmed on a daily basis providing for all the people who are in the quoted 37 percent. Businesses would shut their doors en masse due to the fact that no one could afford anything they sold. Apartment complexes would turn into ghost towns as there wouldnt be enough people to rent the apartments. Crime would be outrageous as the have nots rob the haves blind. Is it that 43 percent of the working population supports the economy?


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The facts would indicate it's closer to the truth. Central Florida sits a few thousand above 25K on average, so it wouldn't be a far cry to suggest 25K as a statewide average.

"Metro Orlando's median pay ranks last among the nation's 50 biggest metropolitan areas, and it has the largest share of jobs — 37 percent — paying less than $25,000 a year."

"Central Florida also has the smallest share of jobs paying more than $50,000. And since 2002, median pay in the region, adjusted for inflation, has fallen by $1,761 — to $29,450."

"While Florida elected officials tout improving monthly job creation figures, the majority of the state’s job openings pay less than a living wage, the Seattle-based non-profit Alliance For A Just Society reported in its 15th annual Job Gap Study. The study released this week reported 13 job seekers for every projected living wage job opening in Florida, with 64 percent of all job openings paying less than a living wage. The report defined living wage for a single adult in Florida as $16.84 an hour based on data from a variety of census sources."


Central Florida low-wage workforce: Central Florida metro area job market is the lowest-paying in the country - Orlando Sentinel

Report: 64% of Florida job openings pay less than living wage
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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According to Wikipedia(they claim they are getting their figures from BLS) Orlando is not the metro with the lowest median income.

Metros with a population above 1 million with a median lower than Orlando include Tampa, Miami, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh, Buffulo, San Antonio, Memphis and Louisville KY

Highest-income metropolitan statistical areas in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-10-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Other reports do not back the reports being quoted above.


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Average Orlando worker?s annual pay was $39,310 last year - Orlando Business Journal

Orlando Florida Household Income | Department of Numbers

The Cities Where A Paycheck Stretches The Furthest | Newgeography.com

Institute for Economic Competitiveness | South Florida's average wage highest in state

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Old 04-10-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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The problem I find with the articles quoted is that none of them state what types of jobs make up the "study"

I would think if was as bad as your sources say it is, there would be thousands and thousands of people living on the street or living in tent cities and that any charitable resource would be overwhelmed on a daily basis providing for all the people who are in the quoted 37 percent. Businesses would shut their doors en masse due to the fact that no one could afford anything they sold. Apartment complexes would turn into ghost towns as there wouldnt be enough people to rent the apartments. Crime would be outrageous as the have nots rob the haves blind. Is it that 43 percent of the working population supports the economy?
I think the numbers were manipulated but I also believe there is a lot of poverty in central Florida because Coastal areas tend to attract wealthier people. It is just much easier to buy a home inland. They probably included a lot of those poor counties in central FL when they did their calculation.

I have seen some areas that look almost like ghost towns
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Old 04-11-2014, 04:38 AM
 
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The problem I find with the articles quoted is that none of them state what types of jobs make up the "study"

I would think if was as bad as your sources say it is, there would be thousands and thousands of people living on the street or living in tent cities and that any charitable resource would be overwhelmed on a daily basis providing for all the people who are in the quoted 37 percent. Businesses would shut their doors en masse due to the fact that no one could afford anything they sold. Apartment complexes would turn into ghost towns as there wouldnt be enough people to rent the apartments. Crime would be outrageous as the have nots rob the haves blind. Is it that 43 percent of the working population supports the economy?
I think you might have some comprehension problems. What do you mean none of them state "what type of jobs" make up the study? That would be all jobs, not a segment of the workforce which in the end is the underlying issue...lack of sufficient well-paying jobs.

"While Florida elected officials tout improving monthly job creation figures, the majority of the state’s job openings pay less than a living wage, the Seattle-based non-profit Alliance For A Just Society reported in its 15th annual Job Gap Study. The study released this week reported 13 job seekers for every projected living wage job opening in Florida, with 64 percent of all job openings paying less than a living wage. The report defined living wage for a single adult in Florida as $16.84 an hour based on data from a variety of census sources."


Now let's read through the above paragraph slowly and discuss. There were 13 jobseekers applying for EVERY job paying ABOVE $16.84 in the state of Florida on AVERAGE (which if one has any analytical sense would know as not very good odds). Of all job openings in Florida found during the study, 64% paid less than $16.84 per hour which if we remember is deemed the overall "Living Wage" in Florida.
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Old 04-11-2014, 05:05 AM
 
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According to Wikipedia(they claim they are getting their figures from BLS) Orlando is not the metro with the lowest median income.

Metros with a population above 1 million with a median lower than Orlando include Tampa, Miami, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh, Buffulo, San Antonio, Memphis and Louisville KY

Highest-income metropolitan statistical areas in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The BLS gathers data from employers in a mail survey of average wages. It's not clear whether or not individuals working under a certain number of hours per week are even included in their numbers. Of the Population One Million-plus metro areas in Florida all are ranked 52nd or lower (West Palm Beach-Boca Raton) followed by Jacksonville (#82), Orlando (#87), Miami-Ft Lauderdale (#132) and Tampa-St Pete-Clearwater (#156). If one averages the five metros together we arrive at #102, not bad for the 4th largest state, right?
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