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Old 05-14-2014, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Miami-Jax
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The "0 for 3" involves the lack of comprehensive coverage between where people work and the area commerce centers, lack of critical mass in terms of current average commute times and a process of getting to/from the stations which are not seamless nor time sensitive.

Unlike most metro areas we do not have one or two very centralized areas where most everyone works and for some reason it seems to escape transportation planners in this state that people do in fact commute on an east to west radius versus only north and south.

In terms of critical mass I agree that you don't wait, but for most of the area we haven't yet achieved that level thanks to road expansion and continuation of sprawl in terms of workplace and residences. Connecting the sprawl with single track coverage can be accommodated with a reworking of the overall bus system which doesn't appear to be on the drawing board.

Lastly because of said sprawl driving to a station or taking a bus, followed by a train ride, and then finished off by taking a bus from a station to the final destination (unless lucky enough to be in walking distance) involves a good bit of time...which when compared to driving for most will seem inefficient if time is a factor (as it is for most).

In terms of ridership and the "so far so good" assessment it appears from most accounts it's the curiosity seekers/joy riders/transit junkies who are filling up the trains currently. I would expect after a month or so to see much more realistic ridership numbers at a fraction of the current levels.
Oh I see about the 0 for 3. I was reading first two needs as the same thing (they kinda are) so I kept grouping them together.

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Geez you really wave the pompoms don't you? Huge success??? Trains loaded with non-paying customers hardly register as any kind of success if one possesses the logic of anyone in adulthood. Revenue dollars and ridership numbers combined will determine the real outcome.
Well I won't argue ridership numbers, but revenue dollars aren't THAT important in the scheme of things. If the hundreds of millions of dollars in private investment claims for TOD is to be believed, then, again, I say this thing is off to a terrific start. They'll have to maintain high ridership numbers to continue to attract TOD so that would be a story to watch in the future.

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I guess if the station is a walk away and your destination is walkable at the other end and you dont mind rubbing shoulders with others this train is a godsend for you,Lets hope its a godsend to enough people to make it worth the money spent on the venture.
I think the vast majority of potential passengers would have to make a lengthy drive to the station then sit on a crowded train for an hour then try to find transport to their destination that maybe some miles away.
Everyone has personal preferences so one solution doesn't work for everyone. But I just have to point out that it's best when people have the option to choose what they want. Some will enjoy the privacy of their personal automobile and the comfort and flexibility it allows, even if they have to sit in traffic. Others prefer to read, work, sleep while they commute, even if they have to share their commute with strangers and even if it takes longer.

As for cost...according to the IRS, if your average Sunrail trip costs $2 then that's equivalent to driving your car 3.6 miles. Once you go over 3.6 miles, you're saving money vs driving. Chances are most people riding are traveling farther than that.
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Old 05-16-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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NJ transit has A/C in some stations. But many of them are not provided with the facility . Thing is that trains are frequent here so you are exposed to the heat for a lesser amount of time. Also, larger train stations here have shops inside where one can wait in A/C.

Inside the rail cars it can pretty cold at times. UP here, A/C is set at 60 something F. Also, NJT cars don't have restrooms so if you are travelling with a small kid put good diapers on him/her.

Actually NJT railcars do have restrooms... u must be thinking of SEPTA... but hey i guess you have to ride the trains in order to know that.
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Old 05-17-2014, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Actually NJT railcars do have restrooms... u must be thinking of SEPTA... but hey i guess you have to ride the trains in order to know that.
I did ride NJT yesterday and several other times, but never knew or used their restrooms.
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Old 05-17-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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So Sunrail finished it's first two weeks of free service. By all accounts it was a success, maybe too successful as most trains were packed causing them to run behind schedule. From a local who has ridden the train and spoken with other daily commuters here's the biggest issue.

First was way too many joy riders and looky loos. I saw the trains packed with seniors and entire families taking rides in the evening and midday. This problem will likely be solved or alleviated by paid service.

Second big problem is that many riders are expecting to use Sunrail as a light rail train as opposed to a commuter rail. Demand seems to actually go up during the midday when people are trying to use the train for running errands, lunch, hospitals, leisure etc. This is also the time when they take the trains off the rails for maintenance. I think know the only way to fix this problem is to change the schedule. Sunrail needs to go to service every 30 minutes all day long.

Now for the good. The trains are really nice and cater to most riders pretty well. The seats are comfortable and the views give you a different perspective on Central Florida. The stations are also much more convenient than I expected. The downtown stations are all fairly walkable with plenty of amenities around the stations. Other well traveled stations like Sanford, Altamonte and Sand Lake seem to have pretty good bus service. I have seen lynx buses frequently at the stations allowing riders to go the final mile. Finally and most importantly it's been well embraced by the community, both those who ride and those who dont. Riders reviews have been pretty positive. But more surprisingly those who don't ride have said they're glad to have it. It gives options to others and it takes cars off the roads. I am thrilled so far.
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Old 05-17-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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It costs $ 4 to go from De Bary to Sand lake Road according to schedule and fares section of the SunRail website.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Orlando Metro Area
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Nice and busy for my first paid ride. Lots of commuters and bikes.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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FDOT approves plan for magnetic train in Orlando | Local News - WESH Home

And another train comes to Central Florida, this time through private funding. Add on the All Aboard Florida Miami to Orlando high speed train and Central Florida will soon be served by 3 rail lines. Possibly 4 if the Orange Blossom Express gets online from Lake County into Downtown Orlando.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Anything in store for Tampa to Orlando connectivity ?

Something that is not a fat snail like Amtrak.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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Anything in store for Tampa to Orlando connectivity ?

Something that is not a fat snail like Amtrak.
Our highspeed rail between Tampa and Orlando probably would have been close to up and running by now but the good governor rejected the project. It would have been nice and big economic boost for both regions. Maybe the All Aboard Florida group will step in and extend the line from OIA to TPA.
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Old 05-21-2014, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Megalev to go just 14 miles, and probably a half hour wait inbetween trains? Hmm...why do I not see the advantage of going Megalev here???? For the cost of the Megalev vs. light rail, how much light rail could we have built throughout Florida's cities? Forget about trains for a second...how many crosswalks and bike lanes could we have painted and sidewalks fixed? How many incomplete bike trails and rail trails could be finished?

Florida continues to be the most dangerous State for pedestrians and cyclists, meanwhile the attitude at FDOTransportation seems to be that walking and biking are not legitimate forms of *transportation.*
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