[Lilybeans]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

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And guess what? It's just as far to drive from Fort Pierce to Vero Beach as it is to drive from Fort Pierce to Port Saint Lucie.

Worlds apart. The drive from PSL to Fort Pierce is just one long strip mall. The only dividing line between PSL and Ft. Pierce is a sign. It's all one giant amorphous area. It is not like that at all between Vero and Ft. Pierce.

In truth though, it's is one giant strip mall between Stuart and Ft. Pierce. There is no real difference. PSL is really suburban Stuart, with a healthy dose of commuters heading to Palm Beach and even Broward every day.

[Lilybeans]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Don't lump "Port Saint Lucie" with "Saint Lucie County" crime statistics. Everyone knows that Fort Pierce is a crap area, crime ridden and full of poverty.

And guess what? It's just as far to drive from Fort Pierce to Vero Beach as it is to drive from Fort Pierce to Port Saint Lucie.

Look at the following "Per capita" crime statistics, of Port Saint Lucie compared to:
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Some problems with those statistics. Stuart is fairly small but with a sizeable low income area where most crime occurs. The stats do not address Martin County.

Secondly, those stats do not address drugs or juvenile crime, so it is presenting a very skewed picture. Other statistics are more telling.

Go to the courthouse any day in Ft. Pierce and see what is happening crimewise. The courtrooms are so full that criminals have to wait in the hallways.

[geehuckwow]

If it was legal to kill lowlife "Al Capone" wannabees, then there would be no crime. But the main crime is that "society" wants to kill YOU for protecting your community. Cops add to the problem. Every major city in the united states is turning into scum, not because of race, but because you are not allowed to kill the disease, so the disease spreads like any well-fed organism. Blame the folks (cops) who don't allow you to kill the scum! Remember the movie "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance?" A real good example. Neither god, nor santa clause, nor the easter bunny, nor the wizard of oz can improve things. Eventually women are going to be gang raped like sheep in a prison, and then they'll decide to support guns and protection of their environment. Too late!

[geehuckwow]

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

I think that it is their view of right vs. wrong that makes the environment they live in. It doesn't matter where they go-they bring that view with them. The environment does not magically appear-it is created by the people in it.

A truer word was never spoke!

[INeedAChange]

LOL, what's "bad" in their eyes, becoming a serial killer?

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

You are so right. It's not the town, it's the people. Did you read that article? Those kids "never got into trouble-just drugs and domestic violence. Nothing bad."

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by fort lauderdale

What's the incentive to moving to the Coral Springs of 1992?Davie (that used to be the STICKS, it still is somewhat!)? Those gangs didn't come out of anywhere, they were bored youth looking for a pastime. There is a good chance of similar happenings in PSL.But like I said, it will level off with time.

All I'm saying is that even if you live in Coral Springs, you have access to Miami and Fort Lauderdale in minutes. Port Saint Lucie is a 45 minute drive from West Palm Beach, and an hour and change from Orlando. Bored kids forming "gangs" is bad, but unless they're controlling illegal substances, prostitution, etc.... they're just a bunch of lowlife kids causing mischief.

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

Worlds apart. The drive from PSL to Fort Pierce is just one long strip mall. The only dividing line between PSL and Ft. Pierce is a sign. It's all one giant amorphous area. It is not like that at all between Vero and Ft. Pierce.

The true dividing line between PSL and Fort Pierce is more or less Midway Road. Even then, you have to drive through "White City" which is a spread out, country like setting (also known as a "redneck" area that minorities might not feel so comfortable driving around, but who knows). Most of the "crap" in Fort Pierce happens North of say... Virginia Avenue... in the "numbered streets" area. For years Fort Pierce has been a hotbed of crime, crack, etc., while the "strip mall drive" down to much more populous Port Saint Lucie has been a burden.

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

In truth though, it's is one giant strip mall between Stuart and Ft. Pierce. There is no real difference. PSL is really suburban Stuart, with a healthy dose of commuters heading to Palm Beach and even Broward every day.

Of course. Port Saint Lucie, for now, is a bedroom community. I believe that when the 2010 census comes around and the doubling of growth shows up in market reports and research, there will be more interest in "doing business" in Port Saint Lucie. I interviewed with a big law firm in Saint Lucie West this past summer and straight up asked them, "Why Port Saint Lucie?" (They have a main office in Boca, and nothing between). They said, "We see this as the new area of growth."

Who knows. I see anything North of Northlake Blvd. in Palm Beach County continuing to grow and become more desirable for families fleeing South Florida.

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

Some problems with those statistics. Stuart is fairly small but with a sizeable low income area where most crime occurs. The stats do not address Martin County.

And Port Saint Lucie has about two neighborhoods where one can identify as "lower income, mostly renter" neighborhoods. Why are you trying to lump "cities" into "counties?" Palm Beach County, on whole, has tremendous crime. Yet there are several good, safe, affluent cities within the county. The fact is Stuart is more dangerous than Port Saint Lucie. Jensen and Hobe Sound are small, but we're looking at "per capita" crimes here, so total population is irrelevant.

Secondly, those stats do not address drugs or juvenile crime, so it is presenting a very skewed picture. Other statistics are more telling.

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

Go to the courthouse any day in Ft. Pierce and see what is happening crimewise. The courtrooms are so full that criminals have to wait in the hallways.

I don't understand. If the "drug or juvenile crime" leads to any of the enumerated things that people tend to care about: assault, battery, robbery, murder.... it's going to show up on the crime statistics. That's what people care about. I don't care if my neighbor smokes pot.

As for overcrowding courthouses, I'm sure each of those crimes, if significant, are accounted for in the crime stats. Indeed, docket call lines at the courthouse would actually include people from all around St. Lucie County, Fort Pierce included, so that does not relate to how bad things are in Port Saint Lucie.


Look, I get it. Crime IS going up across Port Saint Lucie, but it's going up across the nation. My family used to leave the frontdoor unlocked and sometimes open in our neighborhood. My mom's house was actually robbed a year or so ago, but we suspect it was one of my brother's "acquaintences," since they only went into my brother's bedroom and stole the playstation, games, and DVD player.

[Lilybeans]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

My mom's house was actually robbed a year or so ago, but we suspect it was one of my brother's "acquaintences," since they only went into my brother's bedroom and stole the playstation, games, and DVD player.

did you call the police?

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

did you call the police?

Yes. They came out, an hour later, and as far as I know nothing has come of it.


You will be a likelier target for crime in Port St. Lucie if you live in the Windmill Point development - that Darwin/PSL Blvd./Tulip Blvd. area is where there are a lot of the rental, low income housing is.

Though I assert yet again that as far as "bad areas" go, PSL's couple of bad areas are cakewalks compared to West Palm ghetto or Fort Pierce.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Yes. They came out, an hour later, and as far as I know nothing has come of it.

Thats terrible. We called the police for a vandalism call (some harmless idiot kids knocking on peoples doors just to scare them) about two years ago at 3 in the morning and they came in 10 minutes, caught them, and wrote a full report. So much for crappy police down this way.

My family had a burglar in west Boynton Beach and they said nobody even made it there. What city was this burglary in?

[INeedAChange]

Is Fort Pierce one of those "up and coming" areas that clean, eager 30-something yuppies will move into, refurbish the lovely but careworn old buildings, and "turn the neighborhood around"?

Originally Posted by Lilybeans

did you call the police?