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Old 12-09-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Bmore, The cursed land of -> Hotlanta -> Charlotte
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in all seriousness there alike 9 million lakes in Orlando... Look at Minneapolis on Google Maps, then look at Orlando, Orlando is equal or more in the amount of lakes you see. And Minnesota is the land of 10,000 lakes... So its no mystery people probably live Lakefront.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Bmore, The cursed land of -> Hotlanta -> Charlotte
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Nobody wants to live in SF with the cost of living that high, who wants to pay California's taxes, its like living in a socialist state.
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There is a reason why rich athletes who are often black and are mostly liberals who vote Dem live in Florida and Texas mostly instead of California and NY. Nobody wants to pay that much in taxes.
Finally someone who sees eye to eye with me on this.
It seems like in SF youre either struggling or filthy rich... Almost the route Atlanta is going. Sucks I have to move cause I cant afford it here anymore. Its getting way too fast paced for me anyways.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:41 PM
 
Location: US
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So wait, how much do you need to be making to live in SF? Lol and we all know how vague "living wages" are. Im talking like after alllll your bills and car/insurance.food for the month is paid off, and still have atleast 150 left a month.
It depends on what you're willing to sacrifice. It's good for people without children to live here because you can get away with renting a room from a shared apartment. $1,500-2,000/month will get you an okay room in a shared apartment, or you can have have a shared room in a shared apartment for less. If you sell your car before moving here, you can get a MUNI pass for around $65 month or $80 for MUNI and BART (within SF). The big expenses here are housing and car related costs, so if you don't mind sharing an apartment with a bunch of room mates and are willing to sell your car, then you don't have to earn a whole lot to survive. I would say minimum $50,000.

However, if you have a family or you want to start a family this is obviously not an ideal situation, which is why I said for the average person, it is much easier to survive in Florida even though you earn less. San Francisco is a great city, that is why expenses are so high. I made offers on more places than I can count and they were always OVER ASKING and 100% CASH. I was outbid so many times, even after going over asking 25%. I see my next door neighbor to my left, where they have 5 people living in a 2 bedroom and my neighbor to the right which has 3 people living in a 1 bedroom. That isn't the most ideal setup long-term speaking.

Now let's say you earn well above the average salary at say $200,000, so you buy a $1 million property. $1 million will get you an old 1,000-1,300 square foot property. I can't imagine paying that much when I know in Florida you could get a gorgeous mansion for that price. The bottom line, San Francisco is a great city to experience when you are young or if you are able to land a job that pays $150,000 or more. However, once you plan to have children, most people move that is why there are literally more dogs than children in the city lol.

You are definitely paying a high premium to live in San Francisco and it really is a great city, but not my cup of tea for the long-run. My GF's mom said she will live here for the rest of her life and she is okay sacrificing her housing in order to live in the city. However, to summarize, for the AVERAGE person, it is easier to live in Florida or Texas. Or if you are like me, I would rather settle down with a nice big home with pool and yard than a small condo in the city. That's my personal taste, but demand is far greater than supply and that is why prices are so high here.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Finally someone who sees eye to eye with me on this.
It seems like in SF youre either struggling or filthy rich... Almost the route Atlanta is going. Sucks I have to move cause I cant afford it here anymore. Its getting way too fast paced for me anyways.
Thanks man. It is sad the way America is going its losing its middle class. It is also like your filthy rich now or super poor. I want my America back. Obama is a horrible president man.
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:16 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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Nobody wants to live in SF with the cost of living that high, who wants to pay California's taxes, its like living in a socialist state.
Sure, that's why SF is a ghost town and no one lives there ...
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:25 AM
 
Location: N Atlanta
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You are definitely paying a high premium to live in San Francisco and it really is a great city, but not my cup of tea for the long-run. My GF's mom said she will live here for the rest of her life and she is okay sacrificing her housing in order to live in the city. However, to summarize, for the AVERAGE person, it is easier to live in Florida or Texas. Or if you are like me, I would rather settle down with a nice big home with pool and yard than a small condo in the city. That's my personal taste, but demand is far greater than supply and that is why prices are so high here.
There are many others factors outside of housing costs and salary that determine where the AVERAGE person lives. Children, schools, change of seasons, being around family, life long friends, available amenities and proximity to desired recreational activities are just some for starters. And contrary to what you might think, not everyone wants to live in Florida or Texas.
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Tampa
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I wish fewer people wanted to live in Florida, especially geezers.
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Old 12-10-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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There are many others factors outside of housing costs and salary that determine where the AVERAGE person lives. Children, schools, change of seasons, being around family, life long friends, available amenities and proximity to desired recreational activities are just some for starters. And contrary to what you might think, not everyone wants to live in Florida or Texas.
... or California for that matter.


There is no average person, average is a number.

No doubt California has many things going for it that no other state has.

But Florida also has some things going for it that no other state has.

The same can be said for many other states, if not all of them.


All these statistics are helpful, but in the end they are numbers, manipulated for whatever purpose or not, to try to prove some point or not, like some of you are trying to do or pretend not to do, for whatever reason.

At any rate, within those statistical numbers, each person has his own individual calculus, which can change over time.

For one, that may mean living in California at one time or another (I have).

For another, that may mean living in Florida at one time or another (I have).

Or both for all.

And, by the way, both California and Florida are big enough that one may decide, based on his own individual calculus, to move around from one point to another within the same state (I have in both).

Be grateful, then, one and all, that we live in a country big enough and where we have the freedom and opportunity to choose among such diversity in almost every respect.

And if you don't like it, there are always monoliths, in many respects or even almost every one, such as Cuba, China, North Korea and Russia, or even the EU if you want. If so, don't let the door boot you in the arse as you're leaving and remember how the road to hell is paved. Ask Lefty.

Good Luck!

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Old 12-10-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Palm Beach, FL & Napa, CA
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Yes, I am so misinformed by having lived in Orlando, South Florida and now San Francisco. You obviously are more informed from never having lived here

In case you missed it...

Median Household Income in Fort Lauderdale: $4,182/month ($50,191)
Average 2 bedroom Rent in Fort Lauderdale: $1,528/month

Median Household Income in San Francisco: $6,084/month ($73,012)
Average 2 bedroom Rent in San Francisco: $3,859/month

Please don't make me have to do the math for you. It's clear for the average household, which city is easier to survive. Not to mention, the cost of living in San Francisco is higher in every single category besides utilities and you need to trim almost 10% off for state income taxes.
Your stated your 27, lived in AK, CA, FL, WA, AUS according to your profile, just doing the math most of the places you lived was probably when you were a kid, so your adult experience was very limited. How many of those places were you on your own and not relying on your parents? Then again if you lived in Boca maybe you went to Spanish River and drove a brand new BMW to school...which already answers my question.
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Old 12-10-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Spring Hill Florida
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Less than 20 percent of Americans earn $100k a year or more. I called a Navy buddy of mine who lives out there in Alameda. He tells me that living in San Francisco (city) is akin to living in Manhattan. U pay the premium. Doesn't seem like rocket science to me. You just need to live in a more affordable area unless you are a physician, lawyer, surgeon, corporate executive or a lottery winner.
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