Bill would give molesters life on 2nd offense (Orlando: budget, work)

[LM1]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Well even so lets say some don`t re- offend they are still looking out the window at children thinking about what ever nasy f`ers think about when they see kids.....

Not really. In some cases, but certainly not all (maybe not even "most" who have gone through the rehabilitative process)

I say off with the gonads and life on first offense and I am not talking about the 18 year old with the 15 year old. I`m talking about the 50 year old with the 6 year old that type of disgusting trash...

The 50 year old with the 6 year old, I really couldn't care less about. I'm certainly not going to advocate on his behalf.
It's the term "sex offender" which is so wildly varied in it's severity that using it as a blanket term without considering the nature of the offense often times causes injustice.

It's kinda like the term "felon"

Here is an example of a "felon".



... and here is an example of a "felon"

TSG Mug Shot: Lindsey Blackledge
A 19-year-old California gal was arrested in July 2002 for possession of a stolen, 14-ounce tri-tip steak. According to the Calaveras County sheriff, the beef was swiped from the outdoor grill of Katherine King, a 38-year-old San Andreas woman who called cops after discovering her meat was missing. When police arrived at the crime scene, they discovered a trail of "meat juice" leading from King's grill to an upstairs apartment. Inside the apartment, investigators followed the meat drippings to a bathroom, where they found the purloined sirloin hidden in a cabinet below the sink. Blackledge--who was found in the apartment--was charged with a felony.

Same technical classification, same downward social consequences (fairly or not), MASSIVELY different severity levels.

Sex offenses are no different, yet we've come to use the term "Sex Offender" as though it always means Manson. Certain sex offenders? Shoot them for all I care. Others, not so much.

[Tarastomsgirl]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

Personally I think on the first offense they should have their testicles removed and a life sentence. Those people will never stop ever.....

My brothers molester was given life in State prison after molesting not only my brother but also his friends and 3 of his own sons. Here's his picture and info if you wanna see what a great piece of work he is. He was convicted of Capital sexual battery and lewd and lascivious molestation agains my brother and another boy. Took the jury 2 hours to decided that. ( side note when he tried to appeal we saw him in court again and he got his *** beat in prison, his face was destroyed, he had it comin) The state of Florida has become much tougher on molesters since then. You are right these people will never stop, when we were in trials for this man a woman was STILL letting him babysit her toddler son because she refused to believe it true. After he was convicted she entered into counseling. She should have listened in the first place. Also these molester are VERY sneaky and convincing for these children.. We never knew it was going on, my brother would even ask to go back over to his house ( my brother was friends with his son and my sister was friends with his daughter) . However we became suspicious when he started asking to take my brother 9 years old at the time to places like Salt Lake City and on vacations with him to Disney, which my parents refused all. Finally my brother one night became agitated and was pacing the house in an almost psycotic (sp?) manner and finally said something.. His father (my stepfather) went over to the molesters house that night with a baseball bat and smashed in all the windows of his car and threatened to kill him... Subsequently arrested lol but charges dropped due to the circumstances. These bastards need the death penalty for what they do to these children, although I'm sure intense detail is not allowed but I do know these people have NO shame in what they do to these children as the whole time he was molesting my brother and his friend my sister 10 at the time and his daughter were on the other side of the door in the living room having a sleep over.. He thought nothing of what he did, and defended it in court, saying my brother asked for him to do it.

how do I feel about it... Death to them all

[Alphaman]

Originally Posted by LM1

Not really. In some cases, but certainly not all (maybe not even "most" who have gone through the rehabilitative process)



The 50 year old with the 6 year old, I really couldn't care less about. I'm certainly not going to advocate on his behalf.
It's the term "sex offender" which is so wildly varied in it's severity that using it as a blanket term without considering the nature of the offense often times causes injustice.

It's kinda like the term "felon"

Here is an example of a "felon".



... and here is an example of a "felon"



Same technical classification, same downward social consequences (fairly or not), MASSIVELY different severity levels.

Sex offenses are no different, yet we've come to use the term "Sex Offender" as though it always means Manson. Certain sex offenders? Shoot them for all I care. Others, not so much.

There are plenty of psychologists who feel that they can not be rehabilitated and I for one do not believe for one minute that they can.

Furthermore how can you defend this type of crap off the bottom of my tires?

I can pull up plenty of things saying that rehabilitation is a friggin joke. I stand by my original statement off with the gonads.

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

There are plenty of psychologists who feel that they can not be rehabilitated and I for one do not believe for one minute that they can.

Furthermore how can you defend this type of crap off the bottom of my tires?

I can pull up plenty of things saying that rehabilitation is a friggin joke. I stand by my original statement off with the gonads.

I did some research on this topic for a paper I had to write and current thought is that they can't be healed. They believe that some can be controlled. This is the reason we now have Civil commitment in some states. That is where a sex offender is sentenced to jail, if the court feels he is still a threat he can be commited against his will until which time the court feels he is no longer a threat.

[ucfjtm]

Originally Posted by Petertherock

Personally, I would give pedophiles death on first offense. There is no hope for these animals to ever be rehabilitated and it's senseless to spend our tax money on feeding and housing them for life.

The main part of the bill I got a chance to read is that this '2nd offense = life penalty' referred to was for acts committed to children under 12. I agree with you, regardless of your age - if you mess with someone under 12, the state should gather up their needle on a first offense. I agree that an 18 year old senior in high school sleeping with a 15 year old freshman isn't exactly moral, but that's too close of a social atmosphere to give this strict of a penalty on a first offense. When adults commit crimes on children (under 12), they know they're doing something wrong, and far too many studies have shown that they are too dangerous to be wandering around..

[djacques]

Originally Posted by Lindsey_Mcfarren

Sounds good to me. Psychology has shown these people are not rehabilitated. They continue to be a risk.

If by "these people" you mean "sex offenders", that is simply not the case. See, for example, Politics and Irrelevance (broken link) by Eric Lotke for a refutation of this common misconception.

[LM1]

You clearly didn't comprehend what I wrote.

Hell, I even made clear a few times that I was not "defending sex offenders" by default, but rather, addressing the "sex offender" phraseology in question which is a blanket label that's used to tag offenders but doesn't begin distinguish the severity of the offenses- yet not one post later, you ask how I can "defend them" (assuming that the "crap on your tires" in question was your own creative colloquialism for a sex offender)

Honestly, some guy who pulls a kid off the street and harms him/her, I don't care what happens to him.
Some guy who has been violating little kids in his family for years, that's probably a real sicko.
There are other offenses, however, where the facts regarding rehabilitation and recidivism are totally contrary to the conceptions we're all supposed to hold about "sex offenders". Furthermore, there are offenses which are substantially lower in severity than other offenses (the 18 year old with the 15 year old) even though the social stigma stemming from the "sex offender" label remains the same as if the "statutory rapist" in question kidnapped a little kid off the street and harmed him/her.

[Tarastomsgirl]

Originally Posted by Alphaman

There is no way to prove something like a sex offenders likelihood of doing it again because psychology is not an exact science. However I agree with the opinion that they cannot. Even some sex offenders have admitted that even after rehabilitation they still think about it sometimes.

My brothers molestor was already convicted in 02 of molesting another boy before my brother in 03, he was relased on probation or something weird like that and thats when he got a hold of my brother.. They will ABSOLUTELY do it again. There is no doubt in my mind.

[LM1]

Originally Posted by Tarastomsgirl

My brothers molestor was already convicted in 02 of molesting another boy before my brother in 03, he was relased on probation or something weird like that and thats when he got a hold of my brother.. They will ABSOLUTELY do it again. There is no doubt in my mind.

Sounds like he's a good example of a predator.
He should probably be monitored for the rest of his days, either as a result of lifetime incarceration, Jimmy Ryce Act or some sort of electronic community control.

Not all of them are like that.

[sunrico90]

Highlights include the following:

* Within 3 years following their release, 5.3% of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime.
* On average the 9,691 sex offenders served 3 1/2 years of their 8-year sentence.
* Compared to non-sex offenders released from State prisons, released sex offenders were 4 times more likely to be rearrested for a sex crime.
* The 9,691 released sex offenders included 4,295 men who were in prison for child molesting.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released from Prison in 1994