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Old 04-23-2015, 06:00 AM
 
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It's interesting that even tea partiers, libertarians, and christian conservatives pushed for solar in Georgia. I imagine in Tallahassee solar is frowned upon just like discussing climate change.
Who would have guessed umpteen years ago that Georgia would be considered more progressive than Florida? Thanks to our Governor (and much of the State Legislature) it would appear we're headed backwards. That's sure to create more jobs from desirable companies looking to relocate.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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It's not about payback.
What about when those panels have exhausted their useful life? What are the environmental ramifications there?
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte
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Effective economic life of a panel is approximately 10 years due to technology changes. They say 20 years, but people move on an average of 13 years, and you need to amortize before you sell the home.
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I don't know much about how power from panels is stored, but it seems to me that a big plus for panels would be the ability to have some power in the aftermath of a hurricane and resulting power loss. A gas powered generator would likely cost well over $10K, and uses gas. A portable gasoline generator can be purchased and connected to the house wiring for $1-2K, but its not full power and you have to store many gallons of gasoline to get thru several days without power.
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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The obvious problem is our lack of investment as a state and as a nation to improve the technology to something cheaper and viable. At one time, electricity was more expensive than candles - that is NOT a reason not to invest in electric technology!

It is the same for more efficient cars that use less (or no) gas/dependence on drilling/foreign oil/foreign wars - the Prius was created over 10 years ago in Japan. Guess what? Even today, few American cars even come close to its gas efficiency, and now the Prius retains value and outsells plenty of US-made cars even many years into being a used vehicle. We are continually short-sighted, and fear useful advancements in technology. Even where a technology has kinks and is not cheap, or is not perfectly environmentally-friendly, still we need to push on and IMPROVE that technology to meet our needs, not just abandon it completely!

If Florida was in charge of the flow of ideas at the time of Edison, we would still be burning fires to read our paper manuscripts today. And so many are such cheerleaders for preserving the time of the "Founding Fathers" - we would be living just like them if these people had their way, including the slaves out back and the women who can't own property. Change is good. Solar technology in Florida should be highly viable and cleaner than other options, and the only reason it's not by now is because of lobbying against it by major energy corporations, and a dire lack of funding and government support for its efficient development.
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Old 04-24-2015, 01:12 PM
 
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What about when those panels have exhausted their useful life? What are the environmental ramifications there?
Solar panel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-14-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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I think you are forgetting the increase in the value of your home in your payback calculations.

In addition in Florida there is no increase in property taxes allowed when a solar system is installed.

Gary
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Old 05-14-2015, 07:13 PM
 
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Who would have guessed umpteen years ago that Georgia would be considered more progressive than Florida? Thanks to our Governor (and much of the State Legislature) it would appear we're headed backwards. That's sure to create more jobs from desirable companies looking to relocate.
Is it really progressive to pay double the going rate for an essential need?

When the economics of solar power become compelling, it will be unstoppable. Until then, it will be unsustainable. The market will have us doing the most sensible thing.
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Old 05-15-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte
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Just did a study of a home with solar cells. Their "going-in" cost for a 5K system was $42,000. I did a run of the annual savings, amortized it out over the average home holding period of 13 years. Return on investment was $7,000, at a conservative interest rate of 7%. Utility costs would have to not just double, or triple, but go OMG to return your investment.
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Old 05-16-2015, 07:46 AM
 
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Just did a study of a home with solar cells. Their "going-in" cost for a 5K system was $42,000. I did a run of the annual savings, amortized it out over the average home holding period of 13 years. Return on investment was $7,000, at a conservative interest rate of 7%. Utility costs would have to not just double, or triple, but go OMG to return your investment.
Nicely done.

The thing about solar power is that it is a technology, not a resource. The cost of technology historically has fallen say 10% per year. Electricity from the grid is going up x% per year. So at some point in the future, "grid parity" (the point at which alternative energy is as cheap as the grid) will happen.

Solar isn't the only potential technology, either. At some point, the large central production model for electrical generation is going to be dead as a door nail.

But it makes zero sense to mandate uneconomic choices in the meantime, or donate money to Solyndra and other crony-enriching rent-seekers, or crucify providers of the existing resources, or any of that other voodoo economic crap the central planners love to dump on us.
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