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Old 08-11-2017, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Sandy beaches...
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Cost isn't the only reason to go solar. Some of us would prefer lessening our home's carbon footprint and quit supporting fossil fuel-dependent utilities. Happen to think its worth an investment.
Yup, I went solar not because of cost saving or added investment to the house. It was mostly what is indicated here which is reducing carbon footprint for literally no added cost and that wasn't until recently. It seemed like a waste to have all this sun in Florida just heating up our roof when it can generate energy that I can use to reduce the stress on the grid.
I'm no tree hugger either since I rock an F-150. But my solar system indicated that I've produced enough solar energy equivalent to planting 390 trees since I've had it installed so I feel like at least I've contributed some. Even tho I probably paid a bit more for the system rather than wait for it to go down even more - to me it's net zero vs net loss over the long term and that was good enough.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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why? It's criminal because there aren't enough subsidies to make up the difference in the cost vs expected life of the panels?

What's criminal is subsidizing something in the first place. If Solar is truly the cheaper long-term alternative, it shouldn't need subsidies.
Green energy companies would be more than happy to compete on a level playing field with fossil fuel companies, let's get rid of $4 billion of tax payer money that oil companies receive to start.

Mass transit would also love to compete kna level playing field so let's stop subsidizing roads with tax payer funds.


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Old 08-12-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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Green energy companies would be more than happy to compete on a level playing field with fossil fuel companies, let's get rid of $4 billion of tax payer money that oil companies receive to start.

Mass transit would also love to compete kna level playing field so let's stop subsidizing roads with tax payer funds.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0...ers-money.html
Prices are dropping so fast that even without the subsidies it's very close to making sense.

The panels come with a warranty of 100% production for 10 years and then 80% production for the next 15
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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Green energy companies would be more than happy to compete on a level playing field with fossil fuel companies, let's get rid of $4 billion of tax payer money that oil companies receive to start.

Mass transit would also love to compete kna level playing field so let's stop subsidizing roads with tax payer funds.


https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0...ers-money.html
Different argument. Electric vehicles can use roads too. And they actually get a benefit because they don't pay gas taxes.

I do agree that any oil subsidies should be ended as well. Solar on its own is getting cheaper and will make sense more and more as time goes on
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Old 08-19-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Woodbury, MN
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^^^^
The math for pay back doesn't work in GA or any other state.
That statement isn't true. In Minnesota, there's a lot of subsidies, which are taxes paid my mostly other people. The break even time is about 10 years. The expected solar system lifetime is 25 years. Adding a system to your home can add value to your home when you sell, if you own the system, and don't lease the system, but that added value isn't guaranteed. There were multiple subsidies for solar power in Minnesota. Now, some of those subsidies already expired. One of the subsidies was, you were paid about 8 cents per KWH for the solar power your system created for ten years, even if you consumed the electric power yourself! You were paid more for you unused solar power you generated. I think there was also about 30% of the purchase price from rebates. Without the huge subsidies, which help increase the taxes in Minnesota, which I hate, the payback time would be much longer.

In Minnesota, we don't have as much sunshine as Florida. The solar panels should produce more power in Florida than Minnesota. We decided against buying a solar power system a few years ago, since we would be leaving Minnesota in less than 10 years back then. We plan to leave Minnesota pretty soon now. The main reason is the Minnesota winters. The other reason is the high taxes. Minnesota isn't a good state to be retired, unless you have serious medical issues, since healthcare is top notch in Minnesota. If you're poor, and/or a 'freeloader', then Minnesota is the place for you. The taxes are high in Minnesota because all the 'freeloaders' that are too lazy to work.

In Minnesota, the cost of electricity is about 13 cents per KHW, plus junk fees. We use about 1,100 to 1,300 KWH's per month. In Hawaii, the electricity costs about 37 cents per KWH. I don't think that includes junk fees. The subsidies aren't as good in Hawaii than Minnesota, but since their electricity is so expensive, their payback time is only 5 years! So, having a solar system installed in Hawaii is a 'no brainer' if you have the up front $30K to $50K to buy the system, and plan to live there for over 5 years. Although about 90% of the people who move to Hawaii, leave Hawaii in two years or less, mainly due to the extremely high cost of living, and low wages, if you're not retired with a huge nest egg and income stream. If you're retired with chronic medical issues, or might have medical problems in the future, forget about Hawaii, since their quality of healthcare is the bottom of the barrel.

So, I think solar panels are viable in some places. Solar shouldn't have all the subsidies that they receive, but that's a factor beyond you're control as just a single person. For some people, if you live in the right place for solar, have the up front money, and plan to stay there long enough, it could be a good decision to buy solar. For us, it wasn't a good decision because our time is nearing an end in Minnesota.
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