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Old 05-03-2015, 05:32 PM
 
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Also I wanted to point out that just because it rains doesn't mean we can use that as drinking water the link provided about the water wars said we get our water primarily from the Florida Aquifer which is finite. So raining does help with the agriculture in the state but does it prevent a shortage of drinkable water no.
With 50-60 inches of water you can collect it and comfortably take care of a family plus a large sized garden, especially if you recycle the gray water for gardening, use composting or incinerating toilets etc. I do not foresee FL having a water issue like Cali or the Southwest will.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Sunny South Florida
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I do not foresee FL having a water issue like Cali or the Southwest will.
Also, many of the water woes being experienced in California right now are self-inflicted, independent of the drought conditions. I can't see Florida ever being run by the types who are running CA into financial ruin.
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Old 05-03-2015, 10:17 PM
 
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Also, many of the water woes being experienced in California right now are self-inflicted, independent of the drought conditions. I can't see Florida ever being run by the types who are running CA into financial ruin.
That too. It is funny really - the arid West is all about ranching where one cow/calf unit needs 20, 50, 100 acres. Water is in very short supply, yet cities like Denver, Dallas, L.A., Phoenix, Vegas, Austin etc. keep exploding in population and nobody seems to care. Then all of a sudden when the aquifers are empty and it hasn't rained for a year and temperatures are rising/no snow melt anymore, everyone is running with their hair on fire.

Someone posted a question on a local Facebook group today - who should they call to install an in-ground pool - this is in central TX, coming out a historic drought, aquifers getting drained faster than you can blink 'cause of all the population pressure and what-not. Well, with that attitude, good luck. I can understand someone having a pool in Florida but when you see those in Cali or Arizona, you got to wonder.

Same with livestock - why would you bring cows into arid areas where grass barely grows without being trampled and grazed? What do people expect will happen when they use groundwater for consumption, car washes, showers, livestock, industry/manufacturing and intense agriculture, all in a place that doesn't get more than 10-15 inches of rain on average per year?

Most counties in all these "problem states" are way past carrying capacity in terms of water and food. The people living in these counties are in for a rude awakening. They will all flock back East in due time where land will become veeeery expensive....

Fortunately we kept our home in Florida - may be coming back there sooner than originally planned
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Old 05-04-2015, 02:18 AM
 
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With 50-60 inches of water you can collect it and comfortably take care of a family plus a large sized garden, especially if you recycle the gray water for gardening, use composting or incinerating toilets etc. I do not foresee FL having a water issue like Cali or the Southwest will.
Well tell that to people up north because they are just hoping the South and West run out of water and come flocking back.
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Old 05-04-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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"I can't see Florida ever being run by the types who are running CA into financial ruin".

I'd trade these politicians in Tallahassee for the California ones any day. Lessor of two evils. Shoot, I'd trade the "leaders"' in Florida for a few beads and a big wave goodby. No leaders would have to be an improvement over what is here.

Florida is not a good growing climate for almonds. You could do it, but there are other places that are much more suited for that. That is why they grow them there.
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Old 05-04-2015, 06:17 AM
 
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"I can't see Florida ever being run by the types who are running CA into financial ruin".

I'd trade these politicians in Tallahassee for the California ones any day. Lessor of two evils. Shoot, I'd trade the "leaders"' in Florida for a few beads and a big wave goodby. No leaders would have to be an improvement over what is here.

Florida is not a good growing climate for almonds. You could do it, but there are other places that are much more suited for that. That is why they grow them there.
Yeah, while pumping the ground aquifers dry
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Old 05-04-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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Most of Florida gets 50-60 inches of water per year. That's PLENTY of water to grow stuff, collect to drink it etc. People just do not conserve water in Florida yet because they don't have to.
I don't know if it is statewide, but in both southeast and southwest Florida there are water restrictions in place. These involve landscape (for irrigation systems)watering- limited to once or twice a week with the specific days its allowed depending on the address. There are also requirements for restricted (low volume) flow for faucets, showerheads and toilets in new construction.

It's true, Florida does get a lot of rain, and that rain, when it falls on natural ground (as opposed to concrete), replenishes the aquifers, but with the ever growing population in the state, I'd wonder if even these conservation measures would be enough to keep up with the supply vs. the demands for water.

And billions of gallons of Florida's water is wasted every year when the Army Corps of Engineers and the South Florida Water Management District choose to dump water from Lake Okeechobee after an abundant rainy season- they run that water into the Atlantic via the St. Lucie River and the Caloosahatchee River into the Gulf of Mexico. They do this, they say, out of fear that high lake water levels may overflow in the event of a hurricane, because the levees are not in good enough shape to hold that water back. They claim there is no money to repair those levees. The complaints and protests of the populace regarding the adverse effect of all this water from the lake on the estuarial flora and fauna on the Atlantic and Gulf coasts, as well as requests (and even a vote in the last election) to acquire land to store this water instead of dumping it have fallen on deaf ears.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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Not just water. Soil.
We have that ball-bearing loam soil that our native plants do well in, some ag crops tolerate OK but a lot do not. Almonds are almost exclusively a high machine-intensity product that requires a lot of land, a lot of machines and a lot of capital investment.

The upside is that if they are viable here, we are suffering from massive crop loss due to citrus greening, a lot of guys are converting over to other things so we are in need of other viable cash crops.
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