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Old 05-06-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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I would love to go!
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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There is a segment of the Cuban-American community here who were sympathizers of President Batista's ideologies (who was the Cuban leader pre-Castro) and he/his followers have similar views to extremist right-wing Republicans in this country. It should start to add up for you with that nugget of information...
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:20 AM
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I would love to go!
Yeah I'd definitely try this out. Not only do I want to visit Cuba, but going by ferry would be cool. I've taken other international ferries and it has always been fun.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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There is a segment of the Cuban-American community here who were sympathizers of President Batista's ideologies (who was the Cuban leader pre-Castro) and he/his followers have similar views to extremist right-wing Republicans in this country. It should start to add up for you with that nugget of information...

The difference between "that segment" of the Cuban American community and extremist right wing Republicans in this country is that the latter never had their family and friends executed or incarcerated, not had their property stolen by a self-professed communist dictator -- they merely sympathize with Cuban Americans who did.

As I said recently in another current, related thread: If liberal middle-class Americans want to go to Cuba to have fun, smoke cigars, go to the beach, or engage in sex tourism, by all means do so -- we fortunately live in a free society. But please don't try to convince everyone else that its really in the interest of the Cuban people. The Cuban People includes all those exiled Cuban Americans in South Florida who have been victims of political repression. Most Americans who will line up to spend their dollars in Havana cannot begin to imagine what it was like for "that segment" of Cubans to suffer as they did and be exiled from their country, for the crime of political dissension. The repression continues today and, now that its with US approval, is not likely to end. How's that for the benefit of the Cuban people?
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Fort Liquordale, Florida
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I would love to go!
Ask your husband to buy your ticket and pay?
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Old 05-07-2015, 03:25 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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There is a segment of the Cuban-American community here who were sympathizers of President Batista's ideologies (who was the Cuban leader pre-Castro) and he/his followers have similar views to extremist right-wing Republicans in this country.
Listen, kid, never mind that crap about ideologies, like so many adolescents, the world doesn't work that way. Read up on real history.

As a practical matter, then, listen to CapnTrips ...


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... segment of the Cuban American community ... had their family and friends executed or incarcerated, ... had their property stolen by a self-professed communist dictator

Most Americans who will line up to spend their dollars in Havana cannot begin to imagine what it was like for "that segment" of Cubans to suffer as they did and be exiled from their country, for the crime of political dissension. The repression continues today and, now that it's with US approval, is not likely to end. How's that for the benefit of the Cuban people?
The hatred is personal. Personal. It has nothing to do with fantasies of ideologies.

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Relaxing the embargo and Ombamacare will be the defining memories of this presidency.
Let's see:

1) gifting health insurance companies millions of captive customers, forcing them into expensive and complicated high deductible plans;

2) increasing the estate tax exemption by as much as ten-fold;

3) making permanent low and reasonable income tax brackets (save for one at the very top) and dividend and capital gains tax rules, which were otherwise set to expire;

4) "all of the above" energy policy, including smashingly successful fracking, which has altered the energy paradigm domestically and globally;

5) related, continuance of perpetual war against US energy rivals in the oil crescent, including much of the so-called middle east;

6) related, further development of new technologies such as drones, now available for domestic use commercially;

7) related to all the above, soaring equity values for insurance, military and technology companies;

8) finally, possible new blind free trade and investment partnership agreement with Asia-Pacific countries, ensuring another 15-30 years of wage competition for the average worker on US soil.

Defining memories indeed. Not a bad presidency at all. There are many who will take that deal every decade. Every decade.

No demogogic ideologies for the adolescent minded, then, but strictly business.


Anyway, to answer the OP's question ...

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Would you go?
No.

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Old 05-07-2015, 05:33 AM
 
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The difference between "that segment" of the Cuban American community and extremist right wing Republicans in this country is that the latter never had their family and friends executed or incarcerated, not had their property stolen by a self-professed communist dictator -- they merely sympathize with Cuban Americans who did.

As I said recently in another current, related thread: If liberal middle-class Americans want to go to Cuba to have fun, smoke cigars, go to the beach, or engage in sex tourism, by all means do so -- we fortunately live in a free society. But please don't try to convince everyone else that its really in the interest of the Cuban people. The Cuban People includes all those exiled Cuban Americans in South Florida who have been victims of political repression. Most Americans who will line up to spend their dollars in Havana cannot begin to imagine what it was like for "that segment" of Cubans to suffer as they did and be exiled from their country, for the crime of political dissension. The repression continues today and, now that its with US approval, is not likely to end. How's that for the benefit of the Cuban people?
I find your argument fascinating considering this country's spending obsession with the People's Republic of China and do not recall hearing any uproar from conservatives over travel to/from that country. Hypocritical much?
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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The anger and grudge that exists among individuals such as CapnTrips is understandable, and it is not something that will go away as long as both parties to the problem exist... that's the reality of it. It's been over 50 years now, and nothing has really changed to alter any of that.

It kind of reminds me of a very bitter divorce in which there are children involved. In this case, I would say the people and families that were left back on the island are like the children in a divorce case. The ones that fled, along with their offspring, are like a principal party in a divorce case. In this case, they at least received some redress in the form of a new lease on life with new beginnings in the US, and with many advantages not previously afforded to others trying to get into the country. So there was a remedy of sorts for them with that.

With the emotions and feelings the way they are, a third party is needed to mediate and get beyond the intractability that has existed for so many decades and which would only continue to exist. And this comes at the expense of all those others who want get beyond this existing stalemate. And I feel that that's where we are at this point in time.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I find your argument fascinating considering this country's spending obsession with the People's Republic of China and do not recall hearing any uproar from conservatives over travel to/from that country. Hypocritical much?
I wouldn't set foot in China if you gave me free airfare. And, I avoid buying Chinese products as much as possible -- as much for personal safety as for ideological reasons. The Chinese are downright frightening, on many levels.

I'm no expert on China relations, but I get the impression that our relationship with the Chinese is driven more by private business concerns. Unfortunately, it is also true that a working diplomatic relationship with China, hard as that may be for Americans to swallow, is essential to our long term national security. That is important.

In the case of Cuba, recent policy changes were driven by the need for a second term President to add luster to his accomplishments, and go down in history as the President who did what no other could or would do in 50 years -- for good reason. I'm sure there'll be a shelf or two in the Obama Presidential library about it. Gotta hand it to him -- it was an easy way to look good in front of many Americans whose main concern is whether they're now going to be able to go to nice beaches and buy cheap cigars.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Cuba is very beautiful country which I would not mind visiting.
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