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Old 10-21-2015, 04:07 AM
 
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But the arctic is still melting. The weather pattern that normally resides above the arctic has shifted south and we now the polar vortex.
Most Arctic ice is already floating and has already displaced its own volume in the oceans so you dont need to worry about arctic sea ice melting and raising sea levels.
As for Polar Vortex? its far from a new phenomena=
What is a Polar Vortex?
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:10 AM
 
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Is it because there are developed parts of Miami that are at sea level? Not 1" above sea level but at sea level? Or maybe there are parts that are 2" or 3" above sea level and Miami would like to keep those areas above water for at least 20 or 30 years.
Sounds like a bad decision to build at sea level in Miami.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:23 AM
 
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Most Arctic ice is already floating and has already displaced its own volume in the oceans so you dont need to worry about arctic sea ice melting and raising sea levels.
As for Polar Vortex? its far from a new phenomena=
What is a Polar Vortex?
Floating ice or sea ice will not raise sea levels when it melts. That science lesson was taught in elementary school when I attended ... many moons ago!

The polar vortex might not be new to some meteorologists but when we started seeing it bring historic cold weather to parts of the US over the past two years the name was new to most in media and obviously the public. We broke many weather records in many areas over the past few years when the weather system that normally resides over the arctic slid down. When the polar vortex shifted away from the arctic it left unusually warm and the ice started melting. Enough ice melted to allow oil drilling platforms to start drilling in the arctic sea for the first time.
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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Sounds like a bad decision to build at sea level in Miami.
I don't anything is being built or has been recently with a base floor elevation at or even near sea level anywhere in Florida.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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Floating ice or sea ice will not raise sea levels when it melts. That science lesson was taught in elementary school when I attended ... many moons ago!

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Not every one got the message as many believe melting ice in the Arctic will flood much of Americas coastline, obviously you and i attended class that day.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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Not every one got the message as many believe melting ice in the Arctic will flood much of Americas coastline, obviously you and i attended class that day.
I take it you are referring to the Archimedes principle. If so then the classroom experiment was probably done using fresh water. Do the same experiment with salt water and fresh water ice cube and the level will indeed rise.
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Old 10-21-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Science of water displacement :
Archimedes' principle states that the weight of water displaced will equal the upward buoyancy force provided by that water. In this case.
Ice in a glass of water,
Weight of water displaced=mwater displacedg=ρVg=ρAhg
where V is volume of water displaced, ρ is density of water, A is the surface area of the glass and g is acceleration due to gravity.
Therefore the upward buoyancy force acting on the ice is ρAhg.
Now the downward weight of ice is miceg.
Now because the ice is neither sinking nor floating, these must balance. That is:
ρAhg=miceg
Therefore,
h=miceρA
Now when the ice melts, this height difference due to buoyancy goes to 0. But now an additional mass mice of water has been added to the glass in the form of water. Since mass is conserved, the mass of ice that has melted has been turned into an equivalent mass of water.
The volume of such water added to the glass is:
V=miceρ
and therefore,
Ah=miceρ
So,
h=miceρA

So, the height the water has increased due to the melted ice is exactly the same as the height increase due to buoyancy before the ice had melted.

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Old 10-21-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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Just this Feb there was a report in National Geographic about the rising waters in Miami.

[url=http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/02/climate-change-economics/parker-text]Treading Water - National Geographic Magazine[/url]

However, as I always say on these boards, no place is perfect. There are natural disasters all over the world and you can't live in a bubble. Just be prepared and use caution when boating and you'll live a long and happy life in Florida.

We should, however, be concerned about the future and not ignore global warming and its effect on the environment.
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Old 10-22-2015, 01:53 AM
 
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I take it you are referring to the Archimedes principle. If so then the classroom experiment was probably done using fresh water. Do the same experiment with salt water and fresh water ice cube and the level will indeed rise.
Much ice and snow melt every spring in the northern parts of the globe, notice any annual water rise in the oceans every spring.?
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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Much ice and snow melt every spring in the northern parts of the globe, notice any annual water rise in the oceans every spring.?
This is true and a good point. Here is a graph of the arctic sea ice area cycle

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