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Old 11-21-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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Unsubstantiated? I know how much you hate facts, but oh well.....see below.

Now who's the troll? *eyeroll*

The U.S. Cities With the Most Leftover to Spend ... After Paying for Housing - CityLab

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Didn't see Orlando in there. Plus you're pulling out data from 2011.

FL as a whole is in the middle, like for most things, whether or not COL is factored in. Sorry to crash your pity party for being in FL again. Actually beat out California, oregon and north Carolina with col factored in.

Which States' Residents Have the Most Cash to Spend? -- The Motley Fool
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Old 11-21-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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Didn't see Orlando in there. Plus you're pulling out data from 2011.

FL as a whole is in the middle, like for most things, whether or not COL is factored in. Sorry to crash your pity party for being in FL again. Actually beat out California, oregon and north Carolina with col factored in.

Which States' Residents Have the Most Cash to Spend? -- The Motley Fool
2011 is the last Disposable Income was calculated and the past four years in Central Florida have seen an average wage loss, so wouldn't expect that to improve. Cost of Living doesn't mean squat unless calculated with Average Income and Disposable Income, it's about what's left over versus how much it costs. Furthermore the Motley Fool number is taking earnings of all residents as proof of overall income. The high proportion of One Percenters is skewing the numbers in Florida, and it doesn't take rocket science to figure that out when one sees what's going in the major cities here when one sees how most are living.
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Old 11-21-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Florida has the same problem that Arizona has. My sister lives in Arizona and if you got to Arizona Cardinals fan it will mostly out of state fans like Packers, Bears, Patriots and Giants in the stands due to the transplants. Lot of people retire to Florida and Arizona and never root for Florida or Arizona pro teams. Dolphins have a big national following thats about all for Florida pro sports. College Football is big at FSU and Florida.
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Old 11-21-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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2011 is the last Disposable Income was calculated and the past four years in Central Florida have seen an average wage loss, so wouldn't expect that to improve. Cost of Living doesn't mean squat unless calculated with Average Income and Disposable Income, it's about what's left over versus how much it costs. Furthermore the Motley Fool number is taking earnings of all residents as proof of overall income. The high proportion of One Percenters is skewing the numbers in Florida, and it doesn't take rocket science to figure that out when one sees what's going in the major cities here when one sees how most are living.
Nothing you said contradicted the data. Are you implying oregon or California have lower housing costs?

Hint: cali has a bigger 1%er problem than we do and both ca and ny have worse income inequality
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Old 11-21-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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Exactly. Despite living here for years most transplants don't assimilate to the local sports culture and continue to root for their "hometown" teams. It's especially true of the NY/NJ/PA transplants as one would witness in home games versus teams from those states where the stadium is half full of the opposing teams colors. It's demoralizing and embarrassing to teams (and their fans) to have to witness that. The mentality exhibited by transplants who continue to root against the home team is supposed to be okay here, but can guarantee that wouldn't fly well "back home" if the shoe were on the other foot with half the stadium wearing the visiting team's colors. It really is a strange hypocrisy.
What is New York and New Jersey going to kick the local opposing paying fans out of the stadium ? People don't assimilate to another team, for example a person from Atlanta is going to root for the Braves when they know they are coming to play at Yankee stadium. So if it by chance a plethora of Braves fans moved to New York , you would see the same thing. I don't find it all that strange if you look at baseball and other sports history, a lot of the northern teams are well-rooted in all facets of sports, they are diehard fans with tradition. So when they move to a warm climate there heart is still in their hometown and always will be. Florida's oldest team is the Miami Dolphins which are in their 50th season and still people from New England and New York Jets will be heard loud in that stadium, just the way it is as Miami does not really have solid roots in the locals, most probably want to hang out in SOBE.
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Old 11-22-2015, 06:15 AM
 
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Nothing you said contradicted the data. Are you implying oregon or California have lower housing costs?

Hint: cali has a bigger 1%er problem than we do and both ca and ny have worse income inequality
Is English really your first language? You don't ever seem to comprehend.

Income minus Cost of Living, equals Disposable Income.

Cities such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC have many more residents (not 1%) making a considerably higher average salary than what we see in Florida cities and despite higher costs of living many still have a nice chunk of money left over every month in order to support what often is the case four major pro franchises (as well as lots of nice high end restaurants/bars and shops) which clearly isn't the case here in Florida is if one has any sense or prior comparison point to utilize.
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Old 11-22-2015, 06:33 AM
 
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What is New York and New Jersey going to kick the local opposing paying fans out of the stadium ? People don't assimilate to another team, for example a person from Atlanta is going to root for the Braves when they know they are coming to play at Yankee stadium. So if it by chance a plethora of Braves fans moved to New York , you would see the same thing. I don't find it all that strange if you look at baseball and other sports history, a lot of the northern teams are well-rooted in all facets of sports, they are diehard fans with tradition. So when they move to a warm climate there heart is still in their hometown and always will be. Florida's oldest team is the Miami Dolphins which are in their 50th season and still people from New England and New York Jets will be heard loud in that stadium, just the way it is as Miami does not really have solid roots in the locals, most probably want to hang out in SOBE.

So according to your logic other NFL cities with similar "newness" in terms of entry to the league also would be seeing newly transplanted locals cheering for the opposing team and lackluster attendance due to having no roots. Other high transplant cities such as Denver, Seattle, Phoenix and San Diego which also entered their franchises into the NFL the same time as the Miami Dolphins (or sooner) don't struggle with local support or deal with significant numbers of attendees cheering against them in opposing team colors. Nor do other pro sports franchises in those cities. So clearly it's not a Florida aberration, right?
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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Is English really your first language? You don't ever seem to comprehend.

Income minus Cost of Living, equals Disposable Income.

Cities such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Minneapolis, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washington DC have many more residents (not 1%) making a considerably higher average salary than what we see in Florida cities and despite higher costs of living many still have a nice chunk of money left over every month in order to support what often is the case four major pro franchises (as well as lots of nice high end restaurants/bars and shops) which clearly isn't the case here in Florida is if one has any sense or prior comparison point to utilize.
I doubt the lack of support is due to the residents in poverty.
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Old 11-22-2015, 10:06 AM
 
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I doubt the lack of support is due to the residents in poverty.
Of course it isn't. Most of those metros he cited are much more populated.

Of course reality doesn't fit with his liberal agenda and its hated of anything Floridian
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Old 11-22-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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So according to your logic other NFL cities with similar "newness" in terms of entry to the league also would be seeing newly transplanted locals cheering for the opposing team and lackluster attendance due to having no roots. Other high transplant cities such as Denver, Seattle, Phoenix and San Diego which also entered their franchises into the NFL the same time as the Miami Dolphins (or sooner) don't struggle with local support or deal with significant numbers of attendees cheering against them in opposing team colors. Nor do other pro sports franchises in those cities. So clearly it's not a Florida aberration, right?
Its a sunbelt issue. Ive heard the same gripes in Atlanta, Houston, Phoenix and Charlotte. Places where the population boomed recently due to new residents from elsewhere. And than in placeslike Charlotte some people keep their old Llegiance. Many Carolina fans were Washington fans before they got their own team. Same reason I still cheer the Dolphins and Bucs even though the NFL intended to make Central Florida the Jags market. Sorry I grew up watching Marino and Testeverde.
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