[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by joachim1000

And really..I would invite those "native Floridians" to read history, they would discover they are very recent transplants.


The only real Floridians are Seminole, they are from Northern Florida. Second come Spanish and Minorcan descendants, then English settlers that left because they hated "colonials". Not southern, never was.

Read about Seminole wars, Pensacola, San Agustin, Jackson and don't "create history".

Old Florida? Incredible!!

The original people of Northeast Florida were the Timacua... they died off from European disease. Seminoles were mainly displaced Creek Indians who moved into what was then a relatively unpopulated Florida

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

My Catholic ancestors arrived in the Midwest as early as the 1850s from Germany. Irish Catholics started coming over in the 1830s and heavily in the 1840s. So no, the north was Catholic quite a bit before the 1880s

And a lot of people from New Orleans don't feel connected to the Deep South either. Just saying. That topic pops up every now and then on the general forum.

Places change. Florida's peninsula is no longer "southern". It's a stretch to ever even call it southern because it was vastly unpopulated prior to the 1920s because of no AC. From the 1920s onward northerners started flocking here by the masses and supplanting whatever small degree of southern culture there was.

You just HATE the South and Southerners... You fancy yourself as an open minded progressive but you prejudge an entire region of the country and think the way they talk is stupid etc. Hardly the traits of an open minded progressive. And when an area of the South does not fit your prejudices your answer is " well that area is really is not 'the South'" ...

Florida whether you like it or not is historically part of the South, large parts of the state are very "Southern" to this day. And no its not just uninhabited swampy areas of the panhandle. And even though you dont like it there is vestiges of the South in places like Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

Irish and German Catholics were obviously the start of the large waves of Catholic immigrants in the 1840s and 50s.( gangs of New York were draft riots by the mostly Irish Catholics) The 1860s were the time of Civil War so immigration was not a big factor in that decade. In the 1880s is when the massive immigration came from Southern and Eastern Europe and the Middle East bringing the massive number of Roman Catholics, and even some Orthodox Christians. Incidentally that is the timeframe a set of my Great Grandparents came from Ukraine

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by jwolfer

You just HATE the South and Southerners... You fancy yourself as an open minded progressive but you prejudge an entire region of the country and think the way they talk is stupid etc. Hardly the traits of an open minded progressive. And when an area of the South does not fit your prejudices your answer is " well that area is really is not 'the South'" ...

Florida whether you like it or not is historically part of the South, large parts of the state are very "Southern" to this day. And no its not just uninhabited swampy areas of the panhandle. And even though you dont like it there is vestiges of the South in places like Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

Irish and German Catholics were obviously the start of the large waves of Catholic immigrants in the 1840s and 50s.( gangs of New York were draft riots by the mostly Irish Catholics) The 1860s were the time of Civil War so immigration was not a big factor in that decade. In the 1880s is when the massive immigration came from Southern and Eastern Europe and the Middle East bringing the massive number of Roman Catholics, and even some Orthodox Christians. Incidentally that is the timeframe a set of my Great Grandparents came from Ukraine

Best post of the entire thread, and so very true!

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by StreetSmarts

There's more people moving in than out obviously, thus, population growth. I get that. It does seem that a lot of people I meet want to leave, have already left, or already have plans to leave. Not usually the people that just got here, but the people that have been here for a while. Fla is very transient, outside of Nevada, I think it's the most transient, last I remember reading.

So if the state has been growing for decades, logically, you're just unlucky enough to meet the minority of people leaving

[Happiness-is-close]

Originally Posted by jwolfer

You just HATE the South and Southerners... You fancy yourself as an open minded progressive but you prejudge an entire region of the country and think the way they talk is stupid etc. Hardly the traits of an open minded progressive. And when an area of the South does not fit your prejudices your answer is " well that area is really is not 'the South'" ...

Florida whether you like it or not is historically part of the South, large parts of the state are very "Southern" to this day. And no its not just uninhabited swampy areas of the panhandle. And even though you dont like it there is vestiges of the South in places like Ft Lauderdale and Miami.

Irish and German Catholics were obviously the start of the large waves of Catholic immigrants in the 1840s and 50s.( gangs of New York were draft riots by the mostly Irish Catholics) The 1860s were the time of Civil War so immigration was not a big factor in that decade. In the 1880s is when the massive immigration came from Southern and Eastern Europe and the Middle East bringing the massive number of Roman Catholics, and even some Orthodox Christians. Incidentally that is the timeframe a set of my Great Grandparents came from Ukraine

I don't hate the South or Southern culture. I dislike some aspects of it, but the point is that Florida just isn't part of any of it. and there isn't a trace of southern culture in ft. Lauderdale or Miami. There is hardly a trace of southern culture throughout the whole peninsula. Tampa and Orlando don't have it either.

[JMatl]

You can grits with breakfast from Pensacola to Key West.

Case closed.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by JMatl

You can grits with breakfast from Pensacola to Key West.

Case closed.

You can get grits with breakfast from Key West to Albany... :/

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

I don't hate the South or Southern culture. I dislike some aspects of it, but the point is that Florida just isn't part of any of it. and there isn't a trace of southern culture in ft. Lauderdale or Miami. There is hardly a trace of southern culture throughout the whole peninsula. Tampa and Orlando don't have it either.

You just don't want to see it. I am not saying it is like Little Rock, Arkansas, but it can still be found. You are blinded by your prejudices and feelings of superiority. God forbid you have anything Southern associated with your home state.

I can tell you have not spend much time away from the coast of Florida. Places like LaBelle, Arcadia right in the middle of the peninsula in Southern Florida would not be mistaken for New England or the Upper Midwest

[Happiness-is-close]

Originally Posted by jwolfer

You just don't want to see it. I am not saying it is like Little Rock, Arkansas, but it can still be found. You are blinded by your prejudices and feelings of superiority. God forbid you have anything Southern associated with your home state.

I can tell you have not spend much time away from the coast of Florida. Places like LaBelle, Arcadia right in the middle of the peninsula in Southern Florida would not be mistaken for New England or the Upper Midwest

It's so annoying when people are like "look at small town in the middle of nowhere with the heroin epidemic" and use that to justify a states Southerness.

No, I don't visit those towns often. Why would I?

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by Happiness-is-close

It's so annoying when people are like "look at small town in the middle of nowhere with the heroin epidemic" and use that to justify a states Southerness.

No, I don't visit those towns often. Why would I?

You want it both ways... Florida isn't Southern in the peninsula at all... but dont look at the small towns because they are ugly and there is lots of crime and drugs there... They are poorer towns in agricultural areas that have not been overrun by people moving in from out of state.

Just because you don't go somewhere doesn't negate their existence.

You may not know a lot of "culturally Southern people" in your part of Florida, but because it is not your experience doesn't mean everyone has the same experience. I am from a 7 generation Florida( from the peninsula FWIW, Alachua, Marion, Clay, Citrus, Duval and Putnam Counties) family, my experience of Florida is very "Southern" even more so since i grew up in NJ; I didnt know many Cubans in north and central Florida and I would be a fool to say that Cubans have absolutely nothing to do with Florida.

Florida has been impacted by the millions who have moved here from other states and countries. Adding to what was already here. Florida was a small Southern state and some aspects of that remain( good and bad)

The heroin epidemic is sadly in all areas of the country, if you have money your are sent to rehab, if you are poor you go to jail