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Old 04-14-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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Hah! So your wife got a free, best quality in the world education, then gets to move to America and utilize her knowledge in our work force while getting to pay some of the lowest taxes on earth. And I bet that woman has the audacity to call everyone a mooch except for herself. Cry me a freaking river.
Wife or husband anyway seems pretty grateful to be in USA to me as are many who come here
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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Hah! So your wife got a free, best quality in the world education, then gets to move to America and utilize her knowledge in our work force while getting to pay some of the lowest taxes on earth. And I bet that woman has the audacity to call everyone a mooch except for herself. Cry me a freaking river.

That's what you got from that? Lol. Prime example, folks, prime.

By the way, her secondary school, in Denmark, wasn't free at all. Quite expensive. And college isn't free for everyone without restrictions. My brother in law definitely pays for that "best quality in the world 'free' education". She paid a substantial amount in taxes before coming here, I think Denmark made out ok.

We are married, and we pay a tax rate, together, that isn't far off from Denmark... in the US. But you want more, from me, but not you.... I know the drill.
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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That is basically my understanding of it. Although it was my observation that the government administered business more coldly and efficiently. Than we do

Everything there is much "colder" so to say. It's funny because the liberals here would scream bloody murder at how many things are administered there. Most of the country, while running on a quite liberal system, is surprisingly conservative socially, especially when you get outside the major cities. We have a lot more in common than people think. They complain about all the same things.... free healthcare.... except when the politicians close the large hospital 20 minutes away to move it closer to the larger voting base 2 hours away.... super! Heard that one last year.

They are pretty efficient, but also have the highest taxes in the world. It's not related. I just had a Danish politician (local politician) staying with me 2 weeks ago. Interesting conversations. He swears they are in a lot of trouble with the welfare system there.
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Old 04-14-2016, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That's what you got from that? Lol. Prime example, folks, prime.

By the way, her secondary school, in Denmark, wasn't free at all. Quite expensive. And college isn't free for everyone without restrictions. My brother in law definitely pays for that "best quality in the world 'free' education". She paid a substantial amount in taxes before coming here, I think Denmark made out ok.

We are married, and we pay a tax rate, together, that isn't far off from Denmark... in the US. But you want more, from me, but not you.... I know the drill.
Of course Denmark makes out okay. They invest in their workforce by providing a fantastic education at a much lowe, tax subsidized cost. And America will make out fantastic when we offer similar education at a subsided rate as well. A MUCH more subsidized rate than it is currently.

I don't want, nor need anything from you. I'm comfy, with no student loans and possessing employer health insurance. But I'm aware of lucky fortune, something and that not everyone has it. And obamacre helped me immensely with health issues I had in 2014. I'm sure I'm not as rich as yourself, (though I doubt you are as wealthy as you claim), but I make enough so that Bernies policies wouldn't affect me. I doubt they would affect you either. But those policies would do much to help Americas youth and our countries future.
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Old 04-15-2016, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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Of course Denmark makes out okay. They invest in their workforce by providing a fantastic education at a much lowe, tax subsidized cost. And America will make out fantastic when we offer similar education at a subsided rate as well. A MUCH more subsidized rate than it is currently.

I don't want, nor need anything from you. I'm comfy, with no student loans and possessing employer health insurance. But I'm aware of lucky fortune, something and that not everyone has it. And obamacre helped me immensely with health issues I had in 2014. I'm sure I'm not as rich as yourself, (though I doubt you are as wealthy as you claim), but I make enough so that Bernies policies wouldn't affect me. I doubt they would affect you either. But those policies would do much to help Americas youth and our countries future.
Denmark has been in the process of changing a lot of things. It might surprise you. Their recent election swung the country pretty far to the right. Did you even know that? Why did they do that? Because it's not working. They are making changes to education, reducing benefits, etc. As I said, it's not what you think it is. But with that said, they do some things right also. It's a nice country with nice people. I actually think it comes down to preference. It's not "better" there and while I think it's better here, you could probably argue that some people prefer there, some people prefer here. Coke or Pepsi. They have pros and cons based on your lifestyle, as do we.

Interestingly, Florida has some of the most affordable colleges in the country. Just saw an article about that. But it's something we all know anyways. You can virtually pay as you go at a quality college here and leave with no debt. Why does that need to be subsidized more? Do you realize that you can go to Broward College full-time for $1800 in tuition a year? $150/mo. How much more affordable do you need? We don't need more taxes and bureaucracy to make it "cheaper"...

As for my situation. There are people on this forum who know who I am and where I live. So that's that. When I say I pay obnoxious taxes, I'm not pulling your leg. I pay $40k just in property taxes alone. Bernie's tax hiked would affect me on multiple levels. Not just the income tax, but also the additional 10% in employer taxes, which would increase my labor by 10% right off the bat. Of course, in the real world, those 10% employer taxes get slapped on to the workers in the form of lower wages/less raises. So while you think his policies won't affect you, they will, you just won't really know it because you don't see it directly coming out of your check. But I guess that's ok.

There is a little secret that I'll let you in on. In Denmark, the rich pay taxes not too far off from the US wealthy.... care to guess who fills in the void? The middle class and even the poor. If you want all that "free" education and wish to be like Scandinavian countries, get ready for it.... you have no idea how taxed the middle class is in that country and you would be screaming a different tune if they tried that here.
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Old 04-15-2016, 06:17 AM
 
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Well I'm gonna vote for Bernie and find out! Our income inequality today is disgusting. And the people are fed up with it.
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Old 04-15-2016, 10:00 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Everything there is much "colder" so to say. It's funny because the liberals here would scream bloody murder at how many things are administered there. Most of the country, while running on a quite liberal system, is surprisingly conservative socially, especially when you get outside the major cities. We have a lot more in common than people think. They complain about all the same things.... free healthcare.... except when the politicians close the large hospital 20 minutes away to move it closer to the larger voting base 2 hours away.... super! Heard that one last year.

They are pretty efficient, but also have the highest taxes in the world. It's not related. I just had a Danish politician (local politician) staying with me 2 weeks ago. Interesting conversations. He swears they are in a lot of trouble with the welfare system there.
It's a question I have to ask, just wondering if that "coldness" you mention could be considered code for not having to administer these issues in the light of political correctness, as is the case here in the USA. I admit to being as about in the dark as all the know-it alls on the forum who claim the wonders of a taxpayer funded single payer health system and education and advocate these for the US, but know little or no details about how these systems work, how effective they are, or their foibles. But even still I would think that these socialist type programs would work better in a country with a small population, where most of the population works and pays those taxes to support those services, which if applied let's say with "cold" deliberation, would be used efficiently so that tax money covers the needs.

Seems to me that such a system goes to pot when there are more noncontributing takers of those services than there are contributors, frankly other people's money is not an infinite resource despite what left wing liberals endlessly tell their followers. So when the rolls for Medicaid and other social programs ever increase ( for whatever reasons, doesn't matter), the money must stretch further, and somewhere down the road those programs will run dry. The addition of lord only knows how many immigrants (legal and illegal) and even more coming (if the Obama administration has its way), increases in a self-entitled "underclass" to whom welfare is a way of life, strain our resources, as I see it beyond any capacity of those who DO pay for those services to keep them going. That's just common sense supply and demand principles, and no amount of name calling, personal attacks or other applications of "PC" on those who point this out will change the reality.

I'd conjecture that if it's true Denmark is experiencing problems with its social programs, it's because of those same issues that face us here in the US.
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Old 04-15-2016, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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It's a question I have to ask, just wondering if that "coldness" you mention could be considered code for not having to administer these issues in the light of political correctness, as is the case here in the USA. I admit to being as about in the dark as all the know-it alls on the forum who claim the wonders of a taxpayer funded single payer health system and education and advocate these for the US, but know little or no details about how these systems work, how effective they are, or their foibles. But even still I would think that these socialist type programs would work better in a country with a small population, where most of the population works and pays those taxes to support those services, which if applied let's say with "cold" deliberation, would be used efficiently so that tax money covers the needs.

Seems to me that such a system goes to pot when there are more noncontributing takers of those services than there are contributors, frankly other people's money is not an infinite resource despite what left wing liberals endlessly tell their followers. So when the rolls for Medicaid and other social programs ever increase ( for whatever reasons, doesn't matter), the money must stretch further, and somewhere down the road those programs will run dry. The addition of lord only knows how many immigrants (legal and illegal) and even more coming (if the Obama administration has its way), increases in a self-entitled "underclass" to whom welfare is a way of life, strain our resources, as I see it beyond any capacity of those who DO pay for those services to keep them going. That's just common sense supply and demand principles, and no amount of name calling, personal attacks or other applications of "PC" on those who point this out will change the reality.

I'd conjecture that if it's true Denmark is experiencing problems with its social programs, it's because of those same issues that face us here in the US.

There is some great articles I've read about why a system like that works in Denmark. And generally speaking, you are correct. They have a small, homogeneous community where most of the people think alike. It makes administering an expansive welfare system much easier. With the onset of more immigrants, this is stirring up a lot of issues with the welfare state. I've noticed more and more complaints lately, too. The people seem to enjoy the security but are getting a little fed up with the cost to pay for it and the amount of abuse. How factual that is, I don't know. But that's the general attitude I've noticed more lately than in years past. You said it works where most of the population is working and paying in. That's an issue, a big issue. Since more and more people are actually not working, it's creating a lot of problems with funding it. When I say "cold" - it's hard to explain. But they are much more direct in the way they speak and do things. Americans are afraid to getting sued, or whatever, but not over there. So they have no problem telling you no. And government decisions happen so much faster since it's a small country with little logistics in making things happen.

If you are curious about that welfare underclass, Google up "Lazy Robert"... And you would be correct about their issues with the social programs. Interestingly enough, people are people. Whether it's Africa, the US, Asia, or Denmark. Denmark being more closely, culturally, to the US... the more time you spend there, the more it just feels pretty similar. Except that nobody seems to have any money. It feels like a "lesser" version of the US. Less options, less money, lesser everything. But it's really quite nice in it's own way. They give up the things we have here like nice/new cars and what not, for a little more security in their way of life. I don't like it, but I understand why some do. However, those Americans who think we should live that way, I'd encourage them to spend a few months actually doing it. First thing to go is your car with an automatic transmission.... can't afford that anymore. Maybe an old beater with a stick shift.... maybe. As they say over there... no such thing as bad weather, just bad clothes. So hop on your bike, it's only 10 below. Smaller homes, less "stuff", WAY less going out... not a chance. Eating out is special occasions only. And maybe get used to driving a couple hours to Germany to load up the car with Danish beer and drinks since you can't afford it in Denmark. But hey, you got "free" healthcare....

And it's no wonder people like Bernie like it. His supporters don't have a clue, but hey, so what. Bernie took his first wife home to a house with no flooring, flat broke, she dumped him. He never held a full time job until he got elected at 40 years old. He's the role model for "Lazy Roberts" and welfare junkies. It's incredible.... they love that Bern...
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