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This is all off-topic, and IMO baloney. Start a thread in the economics forum and document your claims. E.g., you approved of the big banks' 30-1 leverage that resulted in the Great Recession and a massive bailout??? You approve of massive derivative portfolios where counter-party risk is almost impossible to evaluate. Dodd-Frank corrected these and other risks.
You still don't get it -- an iron-fisted, over-regulated economy is detrimental to environment, because it does not produce profits to businesses, and revenue to Govt in order to fund environmental improvements.
You are also can't seem to grasp a very basic concept -- from an economic perspective recessions and depressions are good things. They weed out the inefficient, and improves those who survive it. This is how we get progress. Johnny getting a medal for participation is a death knell to progress.
Heavy-handed Govt intervention like Volcker applied denies progress. So borrowing your language he is a progress denier.
Volcker policies of the 80s also killed New England, which was a huge producer. Even to this day (almost 40 years later) most cities in NE remain rotten because industries evaporated because of monetary policies, like high interest rates (20% for example). It also contributed to our deficits in 1980s, because Govt was borrowing at these rates. Liberal rags won't tell you this, but attribute deficits to Reagan's defense spending. But of course, you get misrepresentations and deception from your liberal rags, not fit enough for toilet paper in the woods.
Volcker policies will do the same thing to Florida, Texas or entire South if you let him. Then you'll see (or smell) the stench, as communities won't have money to upgrade their sewers.
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If you think Florida is bad, you haven't breathed the smog in Bakersfield or LA, seen piles of used hypo needles along the streets of San Fran, or driven along I-5 in Seattle and seen the garbage surrounding the multiple tent cities there. Now, those are man-made environmental catastrophe's.
Millions of people flock to Florida because its so nice, both seasonally and permanently. Florida's population continues to outpace nearly every other State.
These people would not be coming if they thought there was an environmental catastrophe here. The snowbirds return year after year after year, and this will continue for the rest of our lives and beyond. More and more people keep moving here, mostly from places that progressive policy's destroyed...like NJ, NY, MA, & CN. The proof is in the license plates we see here.
Your extremist position is vastly outnumbered by constant waves of new Florida residents, snowbirds, and tourists, along with nearly everyone who already lives here permanently. Tourism revenues prooves my point. Also all the new housing construction in Florida, and the traffic along I-95 along the Gold Coast. More and more and more people coming to clean and beautiful Florida. Nothing you say is going to slow it down, but if you enjoy trying, its a free Country. I'd rather you do something real to make things better though. Words do not clean anything up.
These leftist alarmists have been screaming "man-made global warming" for almost 150 years now. They go-to solution is an iron-fisted, autocratic, tyrannical central Govts, like California, China, and the rest of the environmental hellholes.
US (Except Cali) and Western Europe (that we American taxpayers prop up) have a much better environment. Why? because you need both - Capitalism, decentralized Govt and a political climate that environmentalists and their opponents can fight it out, in the open, thru a democratic process, and that people eventually decide what is best for them. Yes, Capitalism and Environmentalism go hand-in-hand.
That is why Florida has to elect DeSantis. Everglades Group, who have put tremendous money into the Everglades, endorsed him. They wouldn't if they thought otherwise.
OTOH, if you elect the Socialist, who is afraid to say who he really is, then expect Florida to deteriorate. Everything socialists touch turns to garbage. That's what you're gonna get with Gillum.
Of course, it appears that Florida's more elderly voters collectively don't much care about the quality of the environment to be inherited by Reynolds' and subsequent generations.
Another Harold Wanless lecture warns that with just 2 feet of sea level rise, all of southern Florida's fresh water will be gone. Wanless is chairman of the geological sciences department of the Univ. of Miami.
In this lecture, Wanless warns at 6 feet of sea level rise, Naples is underwater. At 9 feet, Lake Okeechobee becomes a lagoon.
I wonder if man-made climate change deniers actually have any objective, scientific responses to the warnings of a well accredited scientist such as Wanless.
Wanless' most important observation perhaps is that man-made climate change deniers constantly attempt to transform a scientific concern into a political battle.
It's your only chance to survive the looming environmental apocolyse. Its 11-7th in Venice, FL & its free.
Florida's great coral reef is dying, with significantly adverse consequences for Florida's tourism industry and fisheries, let alone Florida's natural glory. You've repeatedly expressed no concern. Nobody who has read your posts would expect you to care about the ongoing salt water intrusion of southern Florida's fresh water aquifers, accelerating inundation, or even the likelihood of more persistent and severe toxic algal blooms, let alone the significant threats that ocean warming and acidification poses to plankton and therefore to global marine life and even oxygen production. More intense and more moist hurricanes also are to be ignored.
As with Trump, the Denier-in-Chief, you and other deniers revel in your ignorance and your indifference to the vastly degraded environment that Florida's deniers will leave to future generations. Deniers can't even discuss what happens to the 35 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere annually as a result of fossil fuel burning. They express no knowledge that this pollution is cumulative. They never mention ocean warming or acidification, or that, to date, the most adverse aspects of fossil fuel consumption have been inflicted on the oceans, not the atmosphere or land surfaces of our planet. Of course, global land ice melt and destructive wildfires are among consequences not to be dismissed, except by deniers.
To deniers, man-made climate change and even already manifesting consequences all are a joke, in which scientists and concerned environmental conservationists are to be mocked, belittled and even silenced.
Does it ever cross your mind that the deniers are the joke, abhorrently obtuse, and likely in coming decades to be as hated, if not more so, in American history than even the slavers of the 19th century? America has been slowly able to outgrow slavery and racial discrimination, but it likely will never outgrow the environmental catastrophe being inflicted on future generations by closed-minded deniers, whose operative philosophy seems to be greed-based egocentrism.
Note that egocentric individuals are unable to distinguish objective reality from their personal, subjective mindset and are intolerant of differing opinions. This perfectly describes the denier mentality.
I don't want any drilling w/in the Florida state lines which extends ~9 miles out to sea. Keeping that in place will be on the ballot November 6th.
The Russians & Chicoms are drilling and extracting fossil fuels just off Cuba in International waters, closer to our shores than I'm comfortable with. I'm sure they are not using the same safety precautions Americans companies now use.
Bolisano just won the Brazilian Presidential elections, and he wants to mine the Amazon rainforest. That could impact Florida due to ocean currents.
I'm anxiously awaiting Mote's beach conditions report after 10 am today (Monday). With cooling temps and favorable winds, I'm hopeful we will soon be clear of Red Tide for the Millions of snowbirds/tourists who return year after year to enjoy Florida's beautiful environment.
Let's all do our part to keep it that way. Nature will do the rest.
I don't want any drilling w/in the Florida state lines which extends ~9 miles out to sea. Keeping that in place will be on the ballot November 6th.
Let's all do our part to keep it that way. Nature will do the rest.
Real question - do you think pollution only extends a fixed number of miles? If that were true we wouldn't have dead zones in the Gulf the size of the state of CT - it would seem to me.
Nature has a fixed capacity for healing. Long ago humans surpassed that. We cut down every single tree on the Continent of Europe and most every one in this country. They did find 14 acres in WV that they somehow missed. Look at a map of WV and coal areas - sat. view in google maps. Vast areas...many square miles of mountaintop just shaved off. Will Nature fix that? And the runoff also??
What is "our part"? I think that is the relevant question. My life or your life is not going to be greatly impacted if, for example, Florida has championed Solar Panels. Our lifestyle would not be different if we didn't dig up Phosphates in FL and send most of them to the USSR (that was the deal). Your life would not be different at all without the tiny amount of Sugar Lands in Florida and the problems caused.
"Our part" is what this discussion is all about. That is, I think our part can be larger than it is.
Let's not beat around the Bush here. You are acting as we have some strict standards for polluting when many "conservatives" were telling us that Deepwater Horizon was nothing. I can provide you the quotes if you like...but many who have millions of listeners said it was like peeing in the Gulf.
In order to solve a problem it first must be looked at reasonably and logically. Cheerleading won't do it. Oil and Gas drilling will hurt Florida whether you can see the Platform or not. Development with very green sod lawns and golf courses in the current style will do the same. Leaky septic systems? Check. And much more!
How many of these things are you willing to "vote for" when you think about who you want your leaders to be?
You still don't get it -- an iron-fisted, over-regulated economy is detrimental to environment, because it does not produce profits to businesses, and revenue to Govt in order to fund environmental improvements.
You are also can't seem to grasp a very basic concept -- from an economic perspective recessions and depressions are good things. They weed out the inefficient, and improves those who survive it. This is how we get progress. Johnny getting a medal for participation is a death knell to progress.
Heavy-handed Govt intervention like Volcker applied denies progress. So borrowing your language he is a progress denier.
Volcker policies of the 80s also killed New England, which was a huge producer. Even to this day (almost 40 years later) most cities in NE remain rotten because industries evaporated because of monetary policies, like high interest rates (20% for example). It also contributed to our deficits in 1980s, because Govt was borrowing at these rates. Liberal rags won't tell you this, but attribute deficits to Reagan's defense spending. But of course, you get misrepresentations and deception from your liberal rags, not fit enough for toilet paper in the woods.
Volcker policies will do the same thing to Florida, Texas or entire South if you let him. Then you'll see (or smell) the stench, as communities won't have money to upgrade their sewers.
These leftist alarmists have been screaming "man-made global warming" for almost 150 years now. They go-to solution is an iron-fisted, autocratic, tyrannical central Govts, like California, China, and the rest of the environmental hellholes.
US (Except Cali) and Western Europe (that we American taxpayers prop up) have a much better environment. Why? because you need both - Capitalism, decentralized Govt and a political climate that environmentalists and their opponents can fight it out, in the open, thru a democratic process, and that people eventually decide what is best for them. Yes, Capitalism and Environmentalism go hand-in-hand.
That is why Florida has to elect DeSantis. Everglades Group, who have put tremendous money into the Everglades, endorsed him. They wouldn't if they thought otherwise.
Republicans.
OTOH, if you elect the Socialist, who is afraid to say who he really is, then expect Florida to deteriorate. Everything socialists touch turns to garbage. That's what you're gonna get with Gillum.
The “Everglades Group” you mention is called the Everglades Trust, and they donate largely to Republicans.
Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, Friends of the Everglades, etc support Gillum.
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You approve of massive derivative portfolios where counter-party risk is almost impossible to evaluate. Dodd-Frank corrected these and other risks.
Delaney Reynolds "Sink or Swim Project"
