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Old 11-01-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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Problem with taking buses like Red Coach and trains, is that by the time you drive to the station, park, get on the bus, get going, get dropped off, get another ride to your final location in Orlando, etc... You end up with a substantial addition to the quick 3 hours it would have taken to just drive. And you pay a heck of a lot more than the cost of fuel/tolls for the pleasure of arriving 2 hours later.

I'm intrigued by the Brightline. But I don't see buses being the answer, at all. Even with the quality of a provider like Red Coach.

I rather use Megabus, whixh I do already, specially the ride to Tampa for me is super easy at both ends of the trip from Miami
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Old 11-01-2018, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Seminole County, FL
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I rather use Megabus, whixh I do already, specially the ride to Tampa for me is super easy at both ends of the trip from Miami
Yeah the Tampa stop is fine. It stops right downtown at the main hub. Same with Amtrak. It's easy to get around once you're there. Orlando is the only one I have an issue with.
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Old 11-01-2018, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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Some additional food for thought. With the rapid growth of self driving cars and even just semi-autonomous cars... highway driving is getting easier and easier. Even my car from 2014 will stay in it's lane, slow down automatically for traffic, etc. Fully hands off driving on the turnpike. It makes it more relaxing and easier than ever. And once fully autonomous becomes a thing, it's not going to make people want to use mass transit for an Orlando trip more, it's going to make people want to use mass transit less.
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Old 11-01-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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I'm intrigued by the Brightline. But I don't see buses being the answer, at all. Even with the quality of a provider like Red Coach.
Well, obviously we'd love some high speed rail up both coasts and then tied together through Orlando. But the money was turned down...and if we started today, it would be at least a decade before the first route opened.

Gotta get these lines to make a stop in Sarasota - that would be nice as I have to get to Gainesville to see family and I'd prefer to not drive. But as of now driving is the way.

I'm a believer in solutions - one of them almost instant would be for the State to somewhat force airlines to run some of the routes non-stop. This can be done in various friendly ways - the state spends a lot of money giving breaks to businesses. They can surely help Southwest to do some FLL-SRQ and similar non-stops at a relatively low price.
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Old 11-01-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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Some additional food for thought. With the rapid growth of self driving cars and even just semi-autonomous cars... highway driving is getting easier and easier. Even my car from 2014 will stay in it's lane, slow down automatically for traffic, etc. Fully hands off driving on the turnpike. It makes it more relaxing and easier than ever. And once fully autonomous becomes a thing, it's not going to make people want to use mass transit for an Orlando trip more, it's going to make people want to use mass transit less.
What is the true time frame of older vehicles and drivers being made illegal? And every truck? That would have to happen for the promised land of less traffic and full autonomous cars to take hold.

It would seem that at least 20 years would be needed...if we started today. But we're not starting today.
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Old 11-02-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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Well, obviously we'd love some high speed rail up both coasts and then tied together through Orlando. But the money was turned down...and if we started today, it would be at least a decade before the first route opened.

Gotta get these lines to make a stop in Sarasota - that would be nice as I have to get to Gainesville to see family and I'd prefer to not drive. But as of now driving is the way.

I'm a believer in solutions - one of them almost instant would be for the State to somewhat force airlines to run some of the routes non-stop. This can be done in various friendly ways - the state spends a lot of money giving breaks to businesses. They can surely help Southwest to do some FLL-SRQ and similar non-stops at a relatively low price.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...-larry-ellison

California's rail system's original cost $33B final actual cost $77B. Too costly as compared to more environmentally sound and less costly alternatives.

SE Florida's All Aboard Briteline has already killed a few people, and it's only 1/3rd done. Trains are mostly empty, and the owner wont disclose ridership figures, so a private group did it, and confirmed that the trains were mostly empty.

In 2017, MARTA in Atlanta lost $520,000,000 in operating cash as its revenues continue to fall and costs rise. Huge Pension shortfalls.

Public transit winds up costing 2x original projections, generates reveunues much less than projected, and the employee Pensions they promise wind up underfunded and drain away any chance of future profits.

Obviously Musk and Ellison have financial stakes in CA not comleting their high speed rail, but even Gov Brown agrees with them.
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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Obviously Musk and Ellison have financial stakes in CA not comleting their high speed rail, but even Gov Brown agrees with them.
Mountains differ from flat lands.
Fully developed areas differ from those just getting there.

Rail in Florida would be about as inexpensive as it could possibly be.
Existing lines fail because they probably don't go where people need to go.

Vast numbers of train systems the world over are crucial to the societies and environment. In the USA, Boston, NYC, the Bay Area and even DC could hardly survive without their subways and other systems.

The only reason Florida is different is because everything in Florida is done in the temporary and easy way. Since it has largely been for tourists and retirees the voters and planner have never taken the long view and considered that 40 million year-round residents may someday reside there.
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Old 11-02-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Mountains differ from flat lands.
Fully developed areas differ from those just getting there.

Rail in Florida would be about as inexpensive as it could possibly be.
Existing lines fail because they probably don't go where people need to go.

Vast numbers of train systems the world over are crucial to the societies and environment. In the USA, Boston, NYC, the Bay Area and even DC could hardly survive without their subways and other systems.

The only reason Florida is different is because everything in Florida is done in the temporary and easy way. Since it has largely been for tourists and retirees the voters and planner have never taken the long view and considered that 40 million year-round residents may someday reside there.
New York City Joins The “Imminent Bankruptcy” Club - GoldSeek.com

NYC is teetering on bankrupcy according to this article, so have no money to fix the delapidated subway system. They have the highest taxes in America, but can't keep the trains running, or keep the promises they made to retired city workers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/n...y-signals.html

Nearly every Dem run city has enviromental issues they have no money to address, unfunded pension plans, crumbling infrastructure, homelessness, gang crime MS13, drug overdoses,and on and on.

Nobody can afford the trains. They are built with loans (gov't backed bonds), the actual cost to build is 2x the original bids, then they immediately start losing money. Then they age and decay into disrepair. All the while, all the emloyees who operate them are promised unsustainable cadillac healthcare plans and pensions. It's a house of cards, and we all know how it ends....badly.

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Old 11-02-2018, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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Well, obviously we'd love some high speed rail up both coasts and then tied together through Orlando. But the money was turned down...and if we started today, it would be at least a decade before the first route opened.

Gotta get these lines to make a stop in Sarasota - that would be nice as I have to get to Gainesville to see family and I'd prefer to not drive. But as of now driving is the way.

I'm a believer in solutions - one of them almost instant would be for the State to somewhat force airlines to run some of the routes non-stop. This can be done in various friendly ways - the state spends a lot of money giving breaks to businesses. They can surely help Southwest to do some FLL-SRQ and similar non-stops at a relatively low price.

Yeah, I would never agree with the idea of forcing a private company to run a non-profitable route. Southwest already does Orlando > FLL and it's obviously profitable enough. But SRQ - FLL - no way, there would be nowhere near enough demand. Some smaller airlines like Silver might be willing if there is enough demand.
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Old 11-02-2018, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Davie, FL
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What is the true time frame of older vehicles and drivers being made illegal? And every truck? That would have to happen for the promised land of less traffic and full autonomous cars to take hold.

It would seem that at least 20 years would be needed...if we started today. But we're not starting today.
Autonomous cars literally already exist. And semi-autonomous cars have been around for 5 years now. Cadillac has the new totally hands free "Super Cruise" already out. You can literally just sit back and relax and the car will drive the highway portion for you. For hours, without touching the wheel. We don't need ALL cars to be driverless to have driverless cars. As I said, these cars literally already exist on the streets. They just have a person sitting there in case anything goes wrong. But yeah, as for hands free highway driving and semi-autonomous - like driving to Orlando, that is already on the streets and has been for some time now. Even my car does it pretty well. It doesn't handle sharper turns that well, but I can often go 20 minutes or so without touching the wheel.
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