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Old 11-12-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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What "failed policies" are you referring to?
Look at CA
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:55 AM
 
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Look at CA
5th largest economy?

Tell me what policies are making deep red states like MS and AL work well, if you believe they are working well?

I'm no fan of cali but this idea of people taking them while giving failed deep red states a free pass is, well, ludicrous
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:35 AM
 
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5th largest economy?

Tell me what policies are making deep red states like MS and AL work well, if you believe they are working well?

I'm no fan of cali but this idea of people taking them while giving failed deep red states a free pass is, well, ludicrous
Your changing the subject. CA has a great economy,which has nothing to do with the Govt, and 30% of its people are in poverty. Great State, for a few.


More people leave CA than move in from the US. Many TO FL and bring some of the same dumb ideas with them that caused CA to be a State they want to leave. CA is now a one party State, democrats control the whole State and .... it aint' doing well except for the rich and businesses like The IT firms. I would prefer that FL not be like CA.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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Your changing the subject. CA has a great economy,which has nothing to do with the Govt, and 30% of its people are in poverty. Great State, for a few.


More people leave CA than move in from the US. Many TO FL and bring some of the same dumb ideas with them that caused CA to be a State they want to leave. CA is now a one party State, democrats control the whole State and .... it aint' doing well except for the rich and businesses like The IT firms. I would prefer that FL not be like CA.
Wrong. The poverty rates in CA and FL are similar, in the 13 to 15.9 percent range. See figure 3, which indicates that CA has had a much more significant decline in poverty than FL.

https://www.census.gov/library/stori...-district.html

What's the source of your grossly overstated CA poverty rate???

Red tide in FL and wildfires in CA may suppress tourism in both states, likely increasing the poverty rate.

Per capita personal income is $59,796 in CA, versus $47,684 in FL, or 25 percent more.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CAPCPI
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLPCPI
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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I read that California's middle class has been decimated by California's Liberal policy's since 1992. There are rich people and poor people and very few in between. The top 3% wealthiest pay 60% of the States taxes. CA has a mountain of debt, and owe $1,000,000,000,000 (1 Trillion Dollars) in Government worker pensions which is ~$76,500 per person...and growing. This Forbes article says California's economy is unsustainable:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasd.../#5a4d18283a23

Here's a capsule of the article:
1 infrastructure debt (deferred repairs to 676 high hazzard rated dams, roads, bridges, water & sewer, schools, $737B)
2 government debt ($2.3T, $1T is pensions)
3 high taxes (they can't raise taxes much more because they are so high already many taxpayers are leaving)
4 government (lurching even further left means more taxes, spending, & borrowing)

I'd say its very likely that California's Governor couldn't afford to manage the forrestry well enough to avert this catasrophe.

There's a saying..."the things that can't be sustained, won't" This is why we need Florida to remain financially strong.
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Old 11-13-2018, 01:12 PM
 
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I read that California's middle class has been decimated by California's Liberal policy's since 1992. There are rich people and poor people and very few in between. The top 3% wealthiest pay 60% of the States taxes. CA has a mountain of debt, and owe $1,000,000,000,000 (1 Trillion Dollars) in Government worker pensions which is ~$76,500 per person...and growing. This Forbes article says California's economy is unsustainable:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasd.../#5a4d18283a23

Here's a capsule of the article:
1 infrastructure debt (deferred repairs to 676 high hazzard rated dams, roads, bridges, water & sewer, schools, $737B)
2 government debt ($2.3T, $1T is pensions)
3 high taxes (they can't raise taxes much more because they are so high already many taxpayers are leaving)
4 government (lurching even further left means more taxes, spending, & borrowing)

I'd say its very likely that California's Governor couldn't afford to manage the forrestry well enough to avert this catasrophe.

There's a saying..."the things that can't be sustained, won't" This is why we need Florida to remain financially strong.
While Florida's pension funds currently are better funded than those in California, it has a much worse operating cash flow ratio, which forebodes future difficulties. See figure 8 here:

https://www.pewtrusts.org/-/media/as...2016_final.pdf

Environmental devastation likely will make pension liabilities in California but especially Florida difficult to service in coming years as the degraded environments impact the tax bases and the allure of the states for the wealthy. An additional consideration is that Florida has one of the most underfunded educational systems in the U.S.; lower teacher salaries explains lower pension obligations. Average teacher salaries in CA are 60 percent higher than in FL. See B-5 here:

http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/18041...eport_2018.pdf

Unlike Donald Trump, and other man-made climate change deniers, Californians and other westerners know that rising temperatures due to fossil fuel consumption are the root cause of the increased frequency and severity of wildfires.

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/1...es-western-us/

https://www.newyorker.com/science/el...mers-wildfires

You can't acknowledge that fossil fuel consumption is responsible for the ongoing inundation of Florida. You don't want to talk about the dying Florida coral reef or ocean acidification, but now you want to spread "Big Lie" propaganda for Trump.

Some facts:

1) Most of California's wildfires have started on and engulfed federal lands, the responsibility of Trump and the federal government.

2) Note that mismanagement in the form of fuel build-up isn't the problem as many of the areas burning were ravaged within the last 15 years. And the fires are burning through shrub land, not forests, in many cases. Didn't you read this article before you once again spread Trump's reviled lie that these devastating fires are due to forest mismanagement? Or are you once again

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-trump-n935426
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Florida will turn from red to blue as us older folks die off..
Also with the passage of Amendment 4, more former criminals will be voting. You know how they will vote
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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The state has irrationally been trending purple for the past twenty years which seems to indicate a cycle of retiring red states types moving in to reinforce the under-educated Caucasian population, and for now off-setting what largely amounts to native born residents and Hispanics who identify more as blue. Perhaps when the "angry old white guys" population becomes less prevalent, but until then I wouldn't expect to see much difference.
You know this depends on where people retire. If we are getting more retirees from the northeast and fewer from the midwest, we'll definitely go blue. The state is becoming more diverse. And really, you can look at the GOP voting trend that started in the late 90s as a result of a massive influx of midwesterners on the west coast.

We also have to deal with the partisan gerrymandering.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...a/#Competitive
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:46 PM
 
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2-4 years isnt enough for any significant changes to occur since Florida is still a Republican controlled state...as of today. I think the really significant noticeable changes will occure more 5-10 years out after the state has been controlled by Liberals for a while, and have had some time to implement their policy's.

Libs took control of California in 1992, and today the state is basically insolvent. It took the Libs 20+ years to destroy that state.
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Old 11-13-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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Wrong. The poverty rates in CA and FL are similar, in the 13 to 15.9 percent range. See figure 3, which indicates that CA has had a much more significant decline in poverty than FL.

https://www.census.gov/library/stori...-district.html

What's the source of your grossly overstated CA poverty rate???

Red tide in FL and wildfires in CA may suppress tourism in both states, likely increasing the poverty rate.

Per capita personal income is $59,796 in CA, versus $47,684 in FL, or 25 percent more.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CAPCPI
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLPCPI
Sorry 20% not 30%.


Per capita income is higher but the cost of living is higher yet. Taxes and Fees keep going up there. Remember unlike FL, CA has a State Income tax, far higher car licensing rates, higher sales taxes, higher property values mean even higher tax in actual dollars and wayyy higher gas tax and over all cost per gallon than FL.


https://www.gasbuddy.com/USA/CA
Highest in CA was $3.834




https://www.gasbuddy.com/USA/CA

Highest in FL was $2.675



Plus the special gas formula in CA gets worse mileage which negates the now small emission gain produced. In the 70's and 80's an definite gain, but no longer.


I was born and raised in SoCal and lived there for a total of 55 years. In FL now after considering moving back to CA. Once I checked the costs and the way the State is run, which means continued increased taxes and fees, it made zero sense to move back. I could afford to, but it wasn't worth it. It is getting worse as time passes.


The 25% difference in income is also not that good. An example.



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Los Angeles, California is 42.4% more expensive than Orlando, Florida

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