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Old 11-13-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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Where are they going to go? Hardcore red states like MS or KY? LMAO.

The GOP should have studied its autopsy report before allowing someone like Trump to hijack it:

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.co...utopsy-report/
Californian's are going to Nevada, Arizona, & Texas.

New York & New Jersey residents, are fleeing to the Carolina's & Florida

Illinois residents are fleeing to Florida & Tennessee

The Dems had better study their own autopsy before the Socialists put the rest of them in a chokehold.

The Dems can get a template for their autopsy report from Venezuela where they are eating horse meat to survive. Women are selling their bodies for groceries, anyone who can flee across the border to Columbia has already done so. THAT is what Socialism looks like. The inflation rate is 2600%.
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Old 11-13-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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Californian's are going to Nevada, Arizona, & Texas.

New York & New Jersey residents, are fleeing to the Carolina's & Florida

Illinois residents are fleeing to Florida & Tennessee

The Dems had better study their own autopsy before the Socialists put the rest of them in a chokehold.

The Dems can get a template for their autopsy report from Venezuela where they are eating horse meat to survive. Women are selling their bodies for groceries, anyone who can flee across the border to Columbia has already done so. THAT is what Socialism looks like. The inflation rate is 2600%.
What a bunch of knee jerk fear mongering hyperbole!
Comparing a US state to a independent nation is absurd to say the least.
Please tell me what American state right now is even close to becoming another Venezuela?

None.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:19 PM
 
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Sorry 20% not 30%.
The map in figure 1 says the poverty rate in CA is 13 to 15.9 percent, not 20 percent, and the same as in Florida.

https://www.census.gov/library/stori...-district.html

Apart from gasoline prices, which partly are higher in CA because, unlike FL, CA largely pays for its roads with taxes, not tolls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tes#California

CA also incurs large costs hardening its roads for earthquakes. As inundation accelerates, FL will have a similar burden added to the cost of maintaining its highways, as the Miami Beach infrastructure investments already provide evidence.

As for higher taxes, you get what you pay for, and CA has much superior services compared to FL, especially educational services.

You provided no hard evidence that disposable income is higher in FL than in CA. Actually, contrary to your assertions, disposable per capita income also is much higher in CA ($49,731) than FL ($41,624), despite CA's superior services.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ersona-income/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ersona-income/

This site says that local purchasing power in Los Angeles is almost 30 percent higher in Los Angeles than in Miami, and Los Angeles has far superior amenities and wages compared to Miami.

Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site

Comparing Los Angeles to Orlando is a joke. You need to compare similar cities.

It appears to me that most of your statements comparing CA and FL are inaccurate.

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Old 11-14-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Your changing the subject. CA has a great economy,which has nothing to do with the Govt, and 30% of its people are in poverty. Great State, for a few.
Are hardcore red states like MS WV and AL good for many, despite having some of the worst poverty in the country?
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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Californian's are going to Nevada, Arizona, & Texas.

New York & New Jersey residents, are fleeing to the Carolina's & Florida

Illinois residents are fleeing to Florida & Tennessee

The Dems had better study their own autopsy before the Socialists put the rest of them in a chokehold.

The Dems can get a template for their autopsy report from Venezuela where they are eating horse meat to survive. Women are selling their bodies for groceries, anyone who can flee across the border to Columbia has already done so. THAT is what Socialism looks like. The inflation rate is 2600%.
And authoritarianism and fascism looks like synagogues and black churches getting shot up by right wing white nationalists, which is happening now.

Unlike the fantasy you just described which is occurring nowhere in the US
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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You have Democrat politicians who publically call their supporters to harrass and kick out people who aren’t democrats from restaurants, stores, etc. To boycott companies who aren’t Democrat. To publically shame those who aren’t Democrat. It’s funny how Democrats seem to forgot the shooter who targeted the Republican baseball game too. Democrats these days protest Israel and rally behind Palestine as well. I really dread the day Florida becomes like this. It’d be nice to have go back to issues, but thr Democratic Party has turned every election into race baiting. I just don’t get why all these people are fleeing their blue states for red states and then vote for the same policies that caused them to flee.
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Old 11-14-2018, 09:04 AM
 
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You have Democrat politicians who publically call their supporters to harrass and kick out people who arenít democrats from restaurants, stores, etc. To boycott companies who arenít Democrat. To publically shame those who arenít Democrat. Itís funny how Democrats seem to forgot the shooter who targeted the Republican baseball game too. Democrats these days protest Israel and rally behind Palestine as well. I really dread the day Florida becomes like this. Itíd be nice to have go back to issues, but thr Democratic Party has turned every election into race baiting. I just donít get why all these people are fleeing their blue states for red states and then vote for the same policies that caused them to flee.
You believe that Republicans want to discuss issues based on facts, rather than simply buy elections with false advertising, typically attack ads???

The fact that the Republican Party, especially in Florida, is dominated by man-made climate change science deniers tells me all that I need to know about Republicans.

And, actually, the Democrats attempt to play the same game, but with less money, refusing to tell the hard truths on issues such as man-made climate change, or budding budgetary crises. E.g., given the existential nature of man-made climate change, Democratic temerity on the issue is pathetic, but vastly preferable to the preposterous and despicable propaganda that typifies the policy response of Republican deniers, especially the "Denier-in-Chief" on man-made climate change.
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Old 11-14-2018, 09:21 AM
 
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bmw335xi said: "I just don’t get why all these people are fleeing their blue states for red states and then vote for the same policies that caused them to flee."

That is the Trillions Dollar question. We need to figure out why, and see if we can prevent them from ruining Florida next.

Do you know people in Detroit still vote Democrat? Their entire city came tumbling down, ALL the way down into bankrupcy, and yet they still vote the same way...the ones that are still there anyways. I cannot understand this at all. Are they are voting solely on social issues, and ignoring the fiscal economic issues? That could explain it.

Many Californian's fled their home state for Arizona, and voted for Sinema, who is extremely Liberal. Arizona has flipped, and we all know how that is going to end.

I think the Republicans need to soften their stance on the social issues to stop the Lib wrecking ball.

I'm fiscally conservative, strong on national defense, law enforcement, and legal immigration, but I really couldn't care less about the social issues. So long as no laws are being broken, and nobody's being harmed, or losing their property rights, cest la vie.

I think if more Conservatives were like me, Republicans could win a lot more elections. Republicans are overly rigid, and that turns many independents and moderate Dems off.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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I'm fiscally conservative, strong on national defense, law enforcement, and legal immigration, but I really couldn't care less about the social issues. So long as no laws are being broken, and nobody's being harmed, or losing their property rights, cest la vie.
As I've repeatedly documented, you support Trump and Republicans who are pathetically bad on immigration issues compared to the Democrats. The Democrats passed a comprehensive immigration bill in the Senate in 2013; the Republicans and Trump have done nothing despite controlling the entire legislative process for two years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border...on_Act_of_2013

Nothing has hurt our national defense capabilities than the trillions spent in Afghanistan and Iraq, wars initiated and poorly executed by the George W. Bush administration.

Also, as repeatedly documented, it is the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have trashed the federal fiscal condition in the 21st century.

See posts 11 and 21 in this thread for a detailed debunking of your claims.

New PBS series "Sinking Cities" -- Miami most at risk?

Once again, you ignore what has been well documented.

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Old 11-14-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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I hope we don't get any changes in Florida in the next 2-4 years that will harm our environment like they are doing in Ohio. We don't need to sell our souls chasing the almighty dollar at the expense of our environment. Ohio has 2,400 oil wells that are actively fracking for shale and natural gas. Let's be glad we dont have any known oil or natural gas beneath us here in Florida. Ohio's also exporting Natural Gas to China who is Earth's largest CO2 producer. Ohio's doubled down on fossil fuels. They are building 2 massive Ethane plants right along the Ohio River to process the natural gas they are selling to China. Why right along a river?

Whatever political changes come to Florida in the next 2-4 years, please do not let them look anything like what Ohio's doing.
We dont need to have 14 Superfund sites like they have in Ohio. Let's continue to pursue solar here in Florida and not fossil like Ohio.
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