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Old 12-02-2018, 04:28 PM
 
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The most powerful thing any of us can do is to elect politicians who take the issue and the overwhelming scientific evidence seriously. We need elected officials who are committed to finding solutions, not going out of their way to accelerate man made climate change. You guys are doing the opposite.
So your answer is the same as Florida Democrats... "I have no clue what to do, but let's just give more funding"

California elects the type of people you advocate and look at their droughts, wild fires, earthquakes, etc. The bottom line, we don't have enough influence to make a difference on natural disasters. We can make a difference with keeping our oceans, lakes, rivers clean though. We can make a difference for lessening the amount of trash we accumulate. Those things are perfectly fine.

However, using scare tactics that sharknados will be frequent and life as we know it will come crumbling down just gives ammunition to people who truly believe we shouldn't do anything for the environment.
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:54 PM
 
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I don’t think you understood what proof means.
Can't do it, huh?
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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Global warming "debate" reminds me of the Leaded Gas debates. People were wrong then and they'll be wrong yet again.

Yes it was hotter in the past.

Yes it matters how fast temperatures are rising now, especially as we are dumping greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

Yes, temperature changes taking 50 years that normally take 10,000 years are bad. Especially when a clear cause for these changes, greenhouse gasses, are being dumped into the atmosphere.

We monitor the output of the sun

We monitor the impact of orbital variations

All these things are known. If you choose to ignore them you do so because of your own ignorance.
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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Yes it matters how fast temperatures are rising now, especially as we are dumping greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere.

Yes, temperature changes taking 50 years that normally take 10,000 years are bad. Especially when a clear cause for these changes, greenhouse gasses, are being dumped into the atmosphere.
NASA and NOAA both say temps have been rising exactly the same since 1880...way before global warming

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/bl...alies_2014.png

50 years.....the 50 year rate of increase from 1900 to 1950...before global warming
..is exactly the same rate of increase as it is from 1950 to 2000...after global warming
Global temperatures have flattened out since 2000...like it did in 1950...so we will have to wait and see what it does next


..you would think global warming would have had some effect on the latter rate of increase
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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NASA and NOAA both say temps have been rising exactly the same since 1880...way before global warming

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/bl...alies_2014.png

50 years.....the 50 year rate of increase from 1900 to 1950...before global warming
..is exactly the same rate of increase as it is from 1950 to 2000...after global warming
Global temperatures have flattened out since 2000...like it did in 1950...so we will have to wait and see what it does next


..you would think global warming would have had some effect on the latter rate of increase

I'll substitute 100 years or 150 years as opposed to 50. My apologies. The point remains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temper...Comparison.png

You can go back further and account for statistical uncertainty.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...?itok=HrOTBQaE

Greenhouse gasses and their continued use will only exasperate the problem.
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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Yes, temperature changes taking 50 years that normally take 10,000 years are bad.
..but in the past 10,000 years....temperatures have been all over the place
and gone up..and down...just as fast..or even faster

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph...-10000-new.png
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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..but in the past 10,000 years....temperatures have been all over the place
and gone up..and down...just as fast..or even faster

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph...-10000-new.png
Something isn't right about that graph I'll post more when I'm home


Your source, JoNova, is biased and omits data. You can read up on it here:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/How...te-change.html

There are also many excellent comments on that site showing exactly why your source is FOS.

Last edited by aridon; 12-02-2018 at 06:43 PM..
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:39 PM
 
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Says it's temperature reconstruction from Greenland ice cores.....10,000 years
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:43 PM
 
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I repeat there is nothing FL can do to stop hurricanes. They have hit FL since the begining of time. Stats show if anything hurricanes have calmed down over time. However, for the sake of argument, say they haven’t become less frequent. There is NOTHING FL can do to stop them from happening. This is a state forum, so if you want to dicuss global politics, there is a form for that. You could get rid of every car in FL, it wouldn’t make a drop of difference.
1) Do you consider the new prevalence of "rapid intensification" of hurricanes (see post 63) as supporting your statement that hurricanes "have calmed down over time?" Tell that to the Florida panhandle residents who never experienced a hurricane as strong as Michael. Did you watch the Miami episode of the PBS "Sinking Cities" series? If so, why are you dismissing the science of rapid intensification?

2) Florida can transition away from fossil fuel consumption and demand that their politicians seek to support policies to facilitate this transition, both nationally and globally. Instead, Florida's denier politicians, including their legion denier supporters who post in Florida C-D forums, directly or indirectly support increased fossil fuel consumption. By the time that a Cat 5 or even a newly classified Cat 6 hits a major developed area of Florida, it may be too late to mute "rapid intensification" as higher levels of greenhouse gases continue to warm the oceans around Florida.

3) Oh, yeah, the Gulf Stream is slowing, likely to boost ocean temperatures around Florida even more, and increase the "rapid intensification" impact even further.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-44875508

How many persons will want to live on the Florida coast if Category 4 and 5 hurricanes become the norm???
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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Nothing, unless Florida sees Cat 6 hurricanes consistently every year and my house is 30 ft under water by 2050.


Good to know.
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