U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Florida
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:39 AM
 
10,576 posts, read 10,788,206 times
Reputation: 5219

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
Assault weapons kill more people faster which gives first responders less time to save lives. They also remove some of the required shooting accuracy from the equation since you can spray bullets like a madman hoping they's hit somone, and have a higher chance of success at mid to longer ranges. (I realize close range shotgun sprays do not require a direct hit, so spare me that retort).

The shotgun and revolver are good for short range targets, like inside a classroom, but the assault rifle would be better from a distance. As people flee a mass shooter, the assault rifles keep target within range longer.

I stand by my post. We need to tamp down on semi-auto assault rifles, bump stocks, and gun show sales where a cash sale may avoid backgroud check,or any record of the sale whatsoever. Rapid fire machine guns have already been restricted, gatling guns, anti-aircraft, bazooka's, ect.. It can be done.

Society also needs to re-open some of the secured housing for mentally insane. As I said, many times friends and family members see it coming, but are helpless to act proactively. They call the police, nothing happens, people die. Why not police assess, detain if they feel there is probable cause for 72 hours to provide cooldown and to call in a criminal psychologists to assess the patient. Perhaps this detention would require at least 2 or 3 people to corroborate the danger signals to provide protection against being wrongly charged. I dont have all the answers, just brainstorming, but what we are doing now clearly is not working.
Wow, what is going on beach, 2 in a row here.

The gun nuts will sit there and say anyone who isn't pro 100% everything gun is a "gun grabber"

Las Vegas happened because of a semi automatic with a bump stock. Those devices were designed to kill lots of people quickly and regardless of what anyone else says, the reality is that you can't kill people as quickly with a knife, shotgun or handgun.

We absolutely could put a ban large capacity magazines, bump stocks etc and people could still by all the guns they want for home defense and deer shooting.

But don't expect the nra or its gun nuts to be intellectually honest on this issue. They're is a reason why their membership is dying out, the majority of Americans hold an unfavorable view of them and they just killed free coffee for their employees.

Getting back on topic, I suspect that is why she won
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-07-2018, 06:07 AM
 
135 posts, read 53,218 times
Reputation: 203
Quote:
Originally Posted by chopchop0 View Post
And call for responsible gun ownership, something they used to do before they were populated by gun nuts
That mission is accomplished, again, through their ownership safety training programs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 06:10 AM
 
135 posts, read 53,218 times
Reputation: 203
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach43ofus View Post
Called the school of common sense...and a friend who is a SWAT team member in Georgia. If assault rifles were not more efficient than regular guns, they would not be selling any.
" If assault rifles were not more efficient than regular guns, they would not be selling any."


1- Who is "they"?
2- What are assault weapons more efficient at?
3- Define "assault weapon".
4- What is the specific SWAT training method where an "assault weapon" is deployed to achieve a greater kill ratio? Ask you friend if you need help on this one.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 06:41 AM
 
2,320 posts, read 838,682 times
Reputation: 1570
I do not agree w/ all Republican, Conservative, or Libertarian positions, even though I agree with most of them. I look at each issue, try to educate myself, then make a common sense decision (while I continue to educate myself). As I learn more, or circumstances surrounding my original opinion changes, my opinion may change. My views are fluid.

This continued education is the reason I participate on C-D forums. I want to learn facts, opinions, & how people think/feel. I was taught not to discuss politics or religion outside the home, and I stick to that unless I'm around close friends and/or family. C-D provides me the opportunity to break those rules w/o negative consequences. I'm not here so much to convince others, but moreso to learn, & to provide those w/ opposing views new information to think about, or new ways to assess issues, and not be victimized by media propaganda...which has taken over our news sources.

I'm for the right to bear arms, but military grade arms?...no. I'm for responsible gun regulations that protect US citizens, so long as I don't see them as being against what the original framers of the Constitution intended. If we can minimize gun deaths w/o harming our Liberty, I'm all for that, and I realize its a delicate balance. I don't like rapid fire guns, sniper rifles, hollow cop bullets, silencers, or allowing anyone and everyone to acquire guns w/o reasonable common sense limits.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 06:58 AM
 
2,320 posts, read 838,682 times
Reputation: 1570
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnathon Hills View Post
" If assault rifles were not more efficient than regular guns, they would not be selling any."


1- Who is "they"? gun sellers
2- What are assault weapons more efficient at? assaulting
3- Define "assault weapon". laws define this
4- What is the specific SWAT training method where an "assault weapon" is deployed to achieve a greater kill ratio? Ask you friend if you need help on this one.
meet force w/ like force
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 11:36 AM
 
10,576 posts, read 10,788,206 times
Reputation: 5219
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnathon Hills View Post
That mission is accomplished, again, through their ownership safety training programs.
Which clearly are ineffective given that the U.S. Has the highest preponderance of mass shootings in the developed world

The nra has utterly failed in its mission
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:08 PM
 
135 posts, read 53,218 times
Reputation: 203
Quote:
Originally Posted by chopchop0 View Post
Which clearly are ineffective given that the U.S. Has the highest preponderance of mass shootings in the developed world

The nra has utterly failed in its mission
Again, not its mission.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 02:30 PM
 
10,576 posts, read 10,788,206 times
Reputation: 5219
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnathon Hills View Post
Again, not its mission.
Which is why it is fading into irrelevance
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 05:35 PM
 
Location: US
17,878 posts, read 17,711,651 times
Reputation: 13858
I think penalty for possessing an illegal gun need to be much stiff, long prison sentences. I also think gun owners should be held responsible if their gun is stolen due to the owner's negligence, this would have to be proven though. I think law abiding citizens have the right to own guns and use lethal force if someone breaks into their home or business. Mass shootings shouldn't be the focus. The majority of gun deaths in Florida and America aren't from mass shootings.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2018, 06:06 PM
 
10,576 posts, read 10,788,206 times
Reputation: 5219
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw335xi View Post
. The majority of gun deaths in Florida and America aren't from mass shootings.
Yet it is a preventable epidemic nonetheless. Nowhere else has the same level of deaths from mass shootings
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2016 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Florida
Similar Threads
View detailed profiles of:
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:18 PM.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. | Please obey Forum Rules | Terms of Use and Privacy Policy

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top