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Old 01-31-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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This is going to prove very popular with teachers and parents. Common Core completely changed how math was taught to students and made it much more complex and frankly stupid. You don't need to make math 100x harder. You should know how to multiply 20 x 30 in your head in less than 5 seconds using the old ways of teaching, not this garbage of breaking each number into components like it's some algebra equation.

DeSantis signs executive order to abolish Common Core in Florida - Story | FOX 13 Tampa Bay

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In another reversal of former Florida Gov. Scott's policies, Gov. Ron DeSantis ordered an end to Common Core-type educational standards in Florida.

DeSantis’ executive order directs Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran to develop a road map for a new way to educate the sunshine state’s students.

Florida moved to a Common Core-type system under former Gov. Rick Scott, a change aimed at matching standards for other students in the U.S.

State leaders made some tweaks to Common Core, and re-branded it as ‘Florida Standards’ but they remain very similar to Common Core.

State governors - not the federal government - developed Common Core and former Gov. Jeb Bush did everything he could to sell it as "fewer, higher expectations, critical thinking skills, benchmarked to the best in the world."

Critics of Common Core, including Tea Party groups, said it would take away local control and dumb down our schools. Meanwhile, many parents had trouble understanding some of the teaching methods and found it confusing, particularly some of the math.

“One of the things we would constantly hear about on the campaign trail was a lot of frustration from parents in particular with this idea of Common Core," said Gov. DeSantis. "When you complained... I heard you. I told you I'd do something about it. And today we are acting to bring promises to reality."
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Old 01-31-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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Interesting. I wonder how long it will take to “undo” the materials and the damage.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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WOOT! Huge props to Governor DeSantis. The state is in good hands, and the kids in Florida now have a chance.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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Interesting. I wonder how long it will take to “undo” the materials and the damage.
Great question, markjames. The damage is deep, unfortunately. I recently responded to an ad that offered a ride service, asking what they charged from Point A to Point B. The answer was "U tell me wut U were thinking." I understood what he meant, but I couldn't be bothered to communicate with that. Too painful.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:08 AM
 
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This is going to prove very popular with teachers and parents. Common Core completely changed how math was taught to students and made it much more complex and frankly stupid. You don't need to make math 100x harder. You should know how to multiply 20 x 30 in your head in less than 5 seconds using the old ways of teaching, not this garbage of breaking each number into components like it's some algebra equation.

DeSantis signs executive order to abolish Common Core in Florida - Story | FOX 13 Tampa Bay

After some 4-5 years of experience as a tuition-paying parent, and overall taxpayer, my impression of "common core" is that it is a scam to force or entice school districts and some charter and private schools to buy some very expensive, and poorly written, textbooks/online programs, paying bribes to school decision-makers if necessary.

Basic math could be taught using textbooks from 1925.

Heck, I learned how to read ancient Greek fluently using a basic grammar textbook from the 1920s (called a "primer" back then), basic math has to be much easier.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:32 AM
 
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I get people's concern with Common Core, though the bigger issue is the excessive testing.

However, I think it's funny how the driving argument for so-called "education reform" (aka privatization) is that education supposedly hasn't changed in 100 years. Then when something new comes along, these same people are like "they should teach things the way they did when I was growing up!"
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Old 02-01-2019, 04:06 AM
 
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I get people's concern with Common Core, though the bigger issue is the excessive testing.

However, I think it's funny how the driving argument for so-called "education reform" (aka privatization) is that education supposedly hasn't changed in 100 years. Then when something new comes along, these same people are like "they should teach things the way they did when I was growing up!"
No, you miss the point, that is not the driving argument.

Basic math, like 2+2=4, remains the same, there is no point in mentally torturing five-year old children over it so that some company in Texas can sell tens of millions of dollars in "new" text books/online programs.

Ancient grammar ain't moving either, and there's no reason to spend $110 on some "new" textbooks with some newfangle "method" of transmitting it.

But things like science, technology, engineering, advanced mathematics are changing.

The point is imprint the basics on the brain as quickly and efficiently as possible, be dynamic and competitive with what changes.

That leaves plenty of room for thinking outside the box and evolving.

Common sense.

In too many respects, common core is not common sense.

As far as "privatization", the point is competition which breeds dynamism and, in some cases, success.
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Old 02-01-2019, 04:28 AM
 
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This guy is
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Old 02-01-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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Great question, markjames. The damage is deep, unfortunately. I recently responded to an ad that offered a ride service, asking what they charged from Point A to Point B. The answer was "U tell me wut U were thinking." I understood what he meant, but I couldn't be bothered to communicate with that. Too painful.
The answer is 1 generation. 40+ yrs ago, while I was in 2nd grade, I was taught a new kind of spelling. It was called "phonetics":

https://www.dictionary.com/e/phonetic-spelling/

"Werds" were "speled" just like they "sownd". They trashed it 1 year later, but the damage was done. I never recovered from it, and to this day I'm an average speller at best. I'm so glad spell check came along.
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Old 02-01-2019, 06:08 AM
 
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I'm glad Governor DeSantis ended Common Core. I've heard many complaints about it from parents & teachers.

I prefer for each State to decide upon how students are taught, so long as they are getting results. Even within each State, I think each school district should have flexibility to try new methods, and materials, to teach. Even down to the Teacher level, if a Teacher has a better way, they should be giving the freedom to use it, so long as there's no downside.

The more people we have trying to develop the best possible teaching methods & materials, the better, so long as the results are there, and we have some consistency so students are not harmed as they move along.

I'd like to see typing brought into every elementary classroom until voice recognition becomes mainstream. I can't tell you how many young people I see on computers, who can't type properly. Some have decent speed, but most do not because they are using only two fingers, and each finger has futher to travel to find the right key.
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