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Old 02-08-2019, 09:46 AM
 
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Given the fact that so much of Florida has been commercialized or commoditized, Im sure someone would have found and capitalized on oil at this point if there was any.
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Drilling in sensitive areas has come a long ways. In some areas I hunt in CO there are wells that you'd never know were there.
Ah, so you can't sense the vast releases of methane and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? That's why we developed scientific instruments.

There is a MASSIVE problem in CO. with air pollution from oil and gas drilling.

The Front Range is no longer the fairly clean place it was:
https://coloradosun.com/2018/10/30/d...y-falls-short/

"That’s bad news for Coloradans suffering from asthma and lung diseases, or young children whose lungs are still developing. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is expected to downgrade the Front Range region’s ozone to “serious,” which means stricter regulations will be imposed."
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:22 AM
 
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Renewable energy makes up <15% of all energy produced in the U.S. at this time, so we have no choice but to continue to use non-renewables until we can run everything off of renewables.

If oils, gasses, and coal were to vanish overnight, we'd be in a World of hurt.

We have to drill someplace, but I really hope the Everglades thing is a financial ploy of some kind w/ a hidden agenda beyond extracing oil/gas, or if it's genuine, it comes up dry.

The electric cars sound nice, but the electricity is generated using fossil fuels, and I'm not yet sold that battery recylcing and disposal is where it needs to be. I fear that somewhere, millions of battery parts that dont get recycled will wind up in landfills. It sure would be nice not to have to ever go to a gas station again.
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Renewable energy makes up <15% of all energy produced in the U.S. at this time, so we have no choice but to continue to use non-renewables until we can run everything off of renewables.

If oils, gasses, and coal were to vanish overnight, we'd be in a World of hurt.

We have to drill someplace, but I really hope the Everglades thing is a financial ploy of some kind w/ a hidden agenda beyond extracing oil/gas, or if it's genuine, it comes up dry.

The electric cars sound nice, but the electricity is generated using fossil fuels, and I'm not yet sold that battery recylcing and disposal is where it needs to be. I fear that somewhere, millions of battery parts that dont get recycled will wind up in landfills. It sure would be nice not to have to ever go to a gas station again.
You would have to go to "electric Stations" to recharge and it takes way longer than filling with gas.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Ormond Beach, FL
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Renewable energy makes up <15% of all energy produced in the U.S. at this time, so we have no choice but to continue to use non-renewables until we can run everything off of renewables.

If oils, gasses, and coal were to vanish overnight, we'd be in a World of hurt.

We have to drill someplace, but I really hope the Everglades thing is a financial ploy of some kind w/ a hidden agenda beyond extracing oil/gas, or if it's genuine, it comes up dry.

The electric cars sound nice, but the electricity is generated using fossil fuels, and I'm not yet sold that battery recylcing and disposal is where it needs to be. I fear that somewhere, millions of battery parts that dont get recycled will wind up in landfills. It sure would be nice not to have to ever go to a gas station again.
In general, northern European countries are using mostly renewable energy. They put policies in place several years ago to go renewable and are following through - even Norway which was a big exporter of oil is going renewable and just in time as they are running out of reserves.

We should not excuse drilling because we are too slow to embrace new energy sources. If there is a need for more energy, then it should be geared to renewables.
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Old 02-13-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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In general, northern European countries are using mostly renewable energy. They put policies in place several years ago to go renewable and are following through - even Norway which was a big exporter of oil is going renewable and just in time as they are running out of reserves.

We should not excuse drilling because we are too slow to embrace new energy sources. If there is a need for more energy, then it should be geared to renewables.
For personal consumption I might agree, but not for commercial industrial consumption. That puts our manufacturing sector at a distinct disadvantage in competing globally with China, India, and many others.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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For personal consumption I might agree, but not for commercial industrial consumption. That puts our manufacturing sector at a distinct disadvantage in competing globally with China, India, and many others.
Not true
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Old 02-14-2019, 04:44 AM
 
Location: CT
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Here's a graph of energy sources in Europe up to 2014.
Blue is renewable, Orange is nuclear, Green is gas and Red is petroleum.
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:12 PM
 
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Not true
make me laugh........coal dominates

China...
https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpre...ng?w=640&h=384

India....
https://2rjrmf33rccw3lrxgi3x82yy-wpe...018/04/re1.png

So Korea...
https://www.eia.gov/beta/internation...onsumption.png

Asia/Pacific....which includes China/India....are the world's largest coal consumers by a long shot

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...region.png?v=2

Last edited by Corrie22; 02-14-2019 at 12:31 PM..
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Old 02-15-2019, 12:31 AM
 
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make me laugh........coal dominates

China...
https://gailtheactuary.files.wordpre...ng?w=640&h=384

India....
https://2rjrmf33rccw3lrxgi3x82yy-wpe...018/04/re1.png

So Korea...
https://www.eia.gov/beta/internation...onsumption.png

Asia/Pacific....which includes China/India....are the world's largest coal consumers by a long shot

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/e...region.png?v=2
Get with the times...

https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...ar-farm-2018-4

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnpar...of-coal-power/

Typical right wing mentality to look at the past instead of the present and future. There's a reason why China is pushing solar much harder than us, while drumpf is trying his hardest to make coal great again
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