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Old 12-31-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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If you get a contract to work in the united states because the company feels you are cheaper to hire, and fire a good employee,then to me you were brought for cheap and when that company decides it no longer want to keep you b/c they got someone else cheaper than you. Where will that leave you? Maybe you can go back to your country,but what about that employee they fired to hire you at a cheaper rate is suppose to do? He is a united state citizen and he is unable to collect his benefits b/c that company lied. Now my tax dollars has to take care of him through social services.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:56 PM
 
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I totally agreed with you.
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Tampa, Fl
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Outside of the fact that they'll fire the most paid (and most likely most qualified) employees to replace them with two or three kids willing to work for peanuts who don't know smack about the job? Nothing, right to work is amazing!
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Old 12-31-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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Businesses will always make the decision that brings the most value to the company, and there is nothing evil or diabolical about that.

What I see all the time are people who have made no effort to improve themselves or take on additional responsibility, who come to work 'most of the time', and who perform their job at a mediocre level that think they are entitled to keep their position for as long as they choose.

Life does not work like that. If an employer looks at you and thinks, "There is a pretty good chance I could do better with a fresh person in that role", then it is their job to make that move. It is your responsibility to make sure they never think that about you.


And as far as unions go, why don't you ask the city of Detroit and the American auto industry how great they are.
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Old 12-31-2009, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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And as far as unions go, why don't you ask the city of Detroit and the American auto industry how great they are.
Why not ask the city of Detroit who is most responsible for the demise of the auto industry.... the employees paid livable wages or the arrogant multimillion dollar CEO's and management cronies making decisions for personal gain and not for the betterment of the auto industry?

Your premise is absurd.
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:04 PM
 
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Why not ask the city of Detroit who is most responsible for the demise of the auto industry.... the employees paid livable wages or the arrogant multimillion dollar CEO's and management cronies making decisions for personal gain and not for the betterment of the auto industry?

Your premise is absurd.

By the 'employees paid livable wages', I am guessing you mean the ones who averaged over $80/hr in wages and benefits? Do you know how ridiculous that is for jobs that require no special education or skill?

And do you really think that union heads are less arrogant and corrupt than CEOs?
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Old 12-31-2009, 11:54 PM
 
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By the 'employees paid livable wages', I am guessing you mean the ones who averaged over $80/hr in wages and benefits? Do you know how ridiculous that is for jobs that require no special education or skill?

And do you really think that union heads are less arrogant and corrupt than CEOs?
Silent, you do realize that the "$80" includes health care, insurance, retirement/pension benefits, etc. right? And this includes even those that are already retired....

The average worker only makes about $29 an hour (which I still think is too high)..

That $80 or $70 figured was used to sensationalize the issue.

Auto Worker Salaries | FactCheck.org

Even a minimum wage worker costs probably twice as much as his/her actual wage.
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Old 01-01-2010, 12:44 AM
 
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Silent, you do realize that the "$80" includes health care, insurance, retirement/pension benefits, etc. right? And this includes even those that are already retired....

The average worker only makes about $29 an hour (which I still think is too high)..

That $80 or $70 figured was used to sensationalize the issue.

Auto Worker Salaries | FactCheck.org

Even a minimum wage worker costs probably twice as much as his/her actual wage.

I understand that the $80+ figure was an 'all-in' number, and was current as of 2006 (prior to the industry completely failing under the weight of it). And when you compare it to the $45 or so 'all-in' figure of the non-unionized workers of the competition, it is apparent how much of an anchor unionization is to the American factories. The lower figure you quoted has come about after brink-of-extinction concessions and several rounds of buyouts offered to more senior workers.
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Old 01-01-2010, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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Silent, you do realize that the "$80" includes health care, insurance, retirement/pension benefits, etc. right? And this includes even those that are already retired....

The average worker only makes about $29 an hour (which I still think is too high)..

That $80 or $70 figured was used to sensationalize the issue.

Auto Worker Salaries | FactCheck.org

Even a minimum wage worker costs probably twice as much as his/her actual wage.
I can add some real life to this equation as well, I am sure the $29 per hour figure was a standard. My mother's live in boyfriend worked for GM in the 70-80's on the assembly line and NEVER worked a week without overtime hours. Usually about 60 hours in a week. So, calculate that time and a half in there as well....Auto assembly workers in unions make a LOT of cash for what they do. He was a biker who barely graduated high school, and handled home discipline with his fists

Not saying that it's not physical labor,...however....there is certainly no investment in an education here either. It's Union run, and they refused to hire more men/women to fill the line, they rather would make for mandatory overtime hours than provide more jobs...how is that for corruption/mismanagement?
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Old 01-01-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Oviedo, Fl formerly from the Philly Burbs!
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Many states are "at will" for employment, and thisi s more common. Right to work, on the other hand is more insidious since it breaks the backs of unions and removes a major source of their power (since unions cannot negotiate to have closed workplaces), and "Right to Work" tends to go hand-in-hand with "red" states.

I think right to work is wrong. If a bunch of employees want to use their collective power to close a business to non-union members, they should have the right to do so. However, unions are not very popular in red states with conservatives, who will babble on incessantly about Communism/Socialism= unions.
Actually, I think you have it a little backwards.....how it usually goes is...UNIONS tend to vote Democratic....which trend with Blue states. I have actually heard a union leader quoted, when questioned about Gore wanting to shut down the coal mines back when he was running for office, that That would be OK, the Government would give the Unions a Good Deal...and the worker replied, he didn't want a Good Deal, he wanted a Job! (This was back in 98-99, in PA or OH) I don't usually hear Republicans going around crying about right to work or about breaking unions....um....ever?

I will say, however, if a bunch of 'employees' want to use their power to close a business to non-union members, I will equate that to a monopoly and say that causes the free markets not to work properly. If they want to form a union, fine. They should not, however, have a monopoly on said business (it does not belong to them) My father was a private electrician who had his van stripped and destroyed by such a 'union' back in the 70's. How is that in any way 'fair'? If you are a union, then you need to provide the best service, at the best price and compete in the marketplace just like everyone else.
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