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Old 09-20-2010, 06:20 PM
 
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I am right on board with Mary Poppins. If you have a good employee and they have shown dedication, reliability over a period of years; then an employer should also show that same dedication to their employees should a work situation arise. Try to work with them. My employer in PA, will give you a warning. Then a 2nd warning should the situation not be resolved. Counseling may come into play "and" maybe place the employee in a different position or area of your business. They deserve the same dedication from you as an employer in return. It's a relationship; just like a personal relationship where you try to make things work before you just.....fire them because it's easier. Shame on the "Right to work State" Balognae.
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:23 PM
 
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At least in Florida. If you want more employee rights, move to CA or the northeast.
Or be a valuable employee that no employer would ever let go of.
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:47 PM
 
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At least in Florida. If you want more employee rights, move to CA or the northeast.
and get out your wallet and prepare to pay dearly for that. Also realize that pretty much all of the new manufacturing jobs are being created in the right-to-work south where workers are much more reasonable in their demands. They don't call the northeast/midwest manufacturing corridor the rustbelt for fun.

The only people with rich benefits these days are the overpaid state workers in CA and NY.
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Miami
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Right to work is very bad IMO. It almost always favors the employer and allows an individual to be fired for no reason. A permanent job should be like a contract. I do not believe that an individual should be fired for no reason, but a "problem" employee should at least have the 2 verbal warnings and final written warning, before being booted out of the door.

Employees are people, not machines. They deserve some degree of protection and damn me to hell and call me an evil socialist for wishing for that. Like everything else in life, capitalism needs regulation in order to protect people from being exploited and to ensure some degree of fairness. Ask yourself this: how would you like it if you were fired from a job, just because your boss suddenly took a disliking to you?
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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Right to work is very bad IMO. It almost always favors the employer and allows an individual to be fired for no reason. A permanent job should be like a contract. I do not believe that an individual should be fired for no reason, but a "problem" employee should at least have the 2 verbal warnings and final written warning, before being booted out of the door.

Employees are people, not machines. They deserve some degree of protection and damn me to hell and call me an evil socialist for wishing for that. Like everything else in life, capitalism needs regulation in order to protect people from being exploited and to ensure some degree of fairness. Ask yourself this: how would you like it if you were fired from a job, just because your boss suddenly took a disliking to you?
Why shouldn't an employee and an employer be able to discuss the terms of a job themselves? Why should taking a job for a company be conditioned on whether you join a union or not?

If you look at manufacturing plants in the south in places like SC (Boeing), Honda (Alabama I think), or Kentucky (Toyota), they've unanimously voted to remain UNunionized. And they get pay that is very competitive with what the UAW workers received over the last decade.
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:20 PM
 
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Nobody ever got fired for no reason. In every case, an employer opts not to continue paying good money to an employee whose work, in the employer's opinion, was not worth it.
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Right to work is very bad IMO. It almost always favors the employer and allows an individual to be fired for no reason. A permanent job should be like a contract. I do not believe that an individual should be fired for no reason, but a "problem" employee should at least have the 2 verbal warnings and final written warning, before being booted out of the door.

Employees are people, not machines. They deserve some degree of protection and damn me to hell and call me an evil socialist for wishing for that. Like everything else in life, capitalism needs regulation in order to protect people from being exploited and to ensure some degree of fairness. Ask yourself this: how would you like it if you were fired from a job, just because your boss suddenly took a disliking to you?
I agree

Right to work (for less) laws are also very unfair to Unions who have to defend freeloaders who don't even pay union dues. It costs money to have to defend someone which in turn helps weaken down the Union. If some freeloader doesn't want represented by a Union then fine let them make lower wages and lower benefits but don't force a union to represent them when they are in trouble. I believe if somebody wants to work at a union shop then they should pay union dues.

Working conditions also suffer in Right to work (for less) states by weakening health and safety standards that Unions have fought hard to maintain for the employees.

Everyone loses in a Right to work (for less) scenerio EXCEPT for the greedy companies who don't value safe working conditions, their employees, or fair pay.
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Old 09-22-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: southwestern USA
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I wish as one poster above indicated that nobody ever gets for " no reason". In this supercharged economic climate it doesnt take much of a reason for an employer to terminate an employee especially if he has 400 applications on hand and also if his business is in a right to work state like Florida.

I have seen several fine people get terminated here due to whim and arrogance of owners who have no concern for people and their lives. Being in a right to work state allows them to terminate employment for valid, invalid, and pathetic reasons.

I am for a balanced labor situation-----the runaway strength of labor unions has led to a lot of factory closings and relocations. In a business environment companies and owners have the right to make a profit.

That being said, on the other hand when employers are handed carte blance to abritarily terminate anyone, great pain, suffering, and injustice often is the result.

Let us combine a system where employers have rights to make a profit and deal effectively with unions and organzied labor-----yet allow the employees the right to make sure their rights and priviledges are not being violated by vile and subhuman vermin.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Hmmm, let me think.
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Ummmmm if a business has the right to refuse service to anyone, than they should have the right to terminate someone for any reason they see fit. Nobody has a RIGHT TO WORK for a particular company. I work for a company who is very cautious on terminating people, whether it be in a right to work state or not. It sucks, its a pain in the rear and is very unproductive.

When I have someone who is obviously no good and needs to be terminated I must go through at least a 4 step process so we have enough documentation to prove the person was not wrongfully terminated. Each of these steps must be approved by HR before the message is delivered to the employee. Do you have any idea how counterproductive this process is? It costs a lot of money in regards to my time, my managers time and HR's time.... sometime we have to get legal involved. Not only are we losing money with resources we're continuing to pay this worthless employee while spending money to manage them out the door. Absolutely ridiculous.

If you are a valuable employee, your employer will keep you on and promote you. The problem is, people that come in late, return from lunch late and call in sick multiple times a year think they are valuable and stellar employees. Why should I have to keep you employed when you are not performing as you should? Why should I and the company have to use our resources to terminate your employment? There is no law in the constitution that states you have a right to work for a specific company. Only slackers get terminated for no good reason, unless the company is downsizing for whatever reason.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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I agree

Right to work (for less) laws are also very unfair to Unions who have to defend freeloaders who don't even pay union dues. It costs money to have to defend someone which in turn helps weaken down the Union. If some freeloader doesn't want represented by a Union then fine let them make lower wages and lower benefits but don't force a union to represent them when they are in trouble. I believe if somebody wants to work at a union shop then they should pay union dues.

Working conditions also suffer in Right to work (for less) states by weakening health and safety standards that Unions have fought hard to maintain for the employees.

Everyone loses in a Right to work (for less) scenerio EXCEPT for the greedy companies who don't value safe working conditions, their employees, or fair pay.
Oh bullcrap!

I worked for my last employer for 11 years and I never joined the union, never needed it. I used to hear the "you're ridin our coat tails" argument all the time from older union members despite the fact that the last major pay raise was VOLUNTARY on the company's behalf and was not negotiated by the union. There were several times when I could have been fired for missing too many days, but the company worked with me and allowed me to stay because I was a good worker. IMO the only ones who benefited from the union were the slackers who wanted to stand around and talk all day. If anyone was "ridin coat tails" it was the lazy ass union members.
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