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Old 11-04-2020, 04:26 PM
 
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COVID doesn't exist anymore. It's November 4.

I thought they said it wouldn't matter anymore after the election...

:-)
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Default Florida mayors seek mask mandate from DeSantis

The mayors also want expanded testing and contact tracing efforts.

<<The mayors, who emphasized the need to tamp down what they called an “enormous surge” in coronavirus cases, were all from Miami-Dade and Broward counties with the exception of the mayor of St. Petersburg, who joined the virtual meeting from Florida’s west coast. They did not explicitly call for business closures but outlined four demands for the governor: mandating a statewide mask requirement, allowing local governments to impose COVID restrictions, improving contact tracing and increasing the state’s funding of COVID testing....

On Sept. 25, DeSantis signed a “right to work” executive order, ending state and some local COVID restrictions. That led Miami-Dade County to stop collecting face-mask fines and to reopen its bars and nightclubs. The county successfully fought to keep its midnight curfew in effect, despite an initial circuit court opinion that sided with the strip club Tootsies in its argument that the county curfew violated the state executive order.

“The governor didn’t just open things up. He flung the door open and said there are no rules anymore,” Gelber said.

After leveling off through much of the fall, the number of coronavirus patients admitted to Miami-Dade hospitals began to shoot up in the end of October. During the two-week period from Nov. 2 through Monday, COVID-19 hospitalizations have increased 34%. Over the same two-week period, the state’s rate of positive tests went from 6.5% to about 9%.>>

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...247260214.html

Mayors also criticized Florida's rollback of testing center availability, according to the above article.

<<A group of mayors in Florida called on Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to issue a statewide mask mandate during a conference call on Wednesday to discuss the COVID-19 outbreak in the Sunshine State.

The South Florida Sun Sentinel reported that the mayors of Miami Beach, Sunrise, St. Petersburg, Hialeah and Miami Shores Village urged DeSantis to take a range of actions to confront the outbreak, including expanding state testing and contact tracing efforts....

“The window is closing and closing fast,” added Hialeah's mayor, Carlos Hernandez (R). “If we sit here and don’t do anything, I don’t want to be the one sitting here talking about closing businesses again or the hospitals are overcrowded.”>>

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...e-mask-mandate

<<Like many Republican governors, DeSantis has refused to issue a mask mandate, but has gone farther than governors in any other large states by essentially eliminating all Covid restrictions that had been in place.

Restaurants and bars are allowed to operate at 100% capacity in Florida, with little room for localities to enforce tougher restrictions.

DeSantis has also forbidden fines from being issued for violating any local mask mandates, virtually ending all public mask mandates in the state.>>

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...h=187c3c9c4102
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:10 AM
 
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The mayors also want expanded testing and contact tracing efforts.

<<The mayors, who emphasized the need to tamp down what they called an “enormous surge” in coronavirus cases, were all from Miami-Dade and Broward counties with the exception of the mayor of St. Petersburg, who joined the virtual meeting from Florida’s west coast. They did not explicitly call for business closures but outlined four demands for the governor: mandating a statewide mask requirement, allowing local governments to impose COVID restrictions, improving contact tracing and increasing the state’s funding of COVID testing....

On Sept. 25, DeSantis signed a “right to work” executive order, ending state and some local COVID restrictions. That led Miami-Dade County to stop collecting face-mask fines and to reopen its bars and nightclubs. The county successfully fought to keep its midnight curfew in effect, despite an initial circuit court opinion that sided with the strip club Tootsies in its argument that the county curfew violated the state executive order.

“The governor didn’t just open things up. He flung the door open and said there are no rules anymore,” Gelber said.

After leveling off through much of the fall, the number of coronavirus patients admitted to Miami-Dade hospitals began to shoot up in the end of October. During the two-week period from Nov. 2 through Monday, COVID-19 hospitalizations have increased 34%. Over the same two-week period, the state’s rate of positive tests went from 6.5% to about 9%.>>

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...247260214.html

Mayors also criticized Florida's rollback of testing center availability, according to the above article.

<<A group of mayors in Florida called on Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to issue a statewide mask mandate during a conference call on Wednesday to discuss the COVID-19 outbreak in the Sunshine State.

The South Florida Sun Sentinel reported that the mayors of Miami Beach, Sunrise, St. Petersburg, Hialeah and Miami Shores Village urged DeSantis to take a range of actions to confront the outbreak, including expanding state testing and contact tracing efforts....

“The window is closing and closing fast,” added Hialeah's mayor, Carlos Hernandez (R). “If we sit here and don’t do anything, I don’t want to be the one sitting here talking about closing businesses again or the hospitals are overcrowded.”>>

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...e-mask-mandate

<<Like many Republican governors, DeSantis has refused to issue a mask mandate, but has gone farther than governors in any other large states by essentially eliminating all Covid restrictions that had been in place.

Restaurants and bars are allowed to operate at 100% capacity in Florida, with little room for localities to enforce tougher restrictions.

DeSantis has also forbidden fines from being issued for violating any local mask mandates, virtually ending all public mask mandates in the state.>>

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola...h=187c3c9c4102
Once Trump's finally gone in January, how on earth is DeSantis going to function without daily orders from the Boss?
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:22 AM
 
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WOW!!!!!


TDS is still alive after election day and those that do have a better chance of dying due to poor mental health.
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Old 11-21-2020, 07:47 AM
 
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WOW!!!!!


TDS is still alive after election day and those that do have a better chance of dying due to poor mental health.
Of course it's still alive, have you been ignoring the news? I won't relax until the secret service physically removes him on January 20th.
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Old 11-21-2020, 08:34 AM
 
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First off...there's no "enormous surge" in cases....unless you're so retarded you still don't understand how that works...or have some agenda

...Florida went from testing ~60,000 people a day......to testing over 120,000 people a day...that's the only reason they can claim some hysterical surge in cases.....they tested twice as many people

the percentage of positives has stayed the same.....~7.5%

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There's no critical shortage of hospital beds either.....right now, stats are showing almost 15,000 beds available in Florida

..what has changed is the amount of time a patient spends in ICU....or even in the hosp at all

now hosp are releasing and turning patients over in days.......not weeks/months like it was before

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Old 11-21-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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First off...there's no "enormous surge" in cases....unless you're so retarded you still don't understand how that works...or have some agenda

...Florida went from testing ~60,000 people a day......to testing over 120,000 people a day...that's the only reason they can claim some hysterical surge in cases.....they tested twice as many people

the percentage of positives has stayed the same.....~7.5%

=======

There's no critical shortage of hospital beds either.....right now, stats are showing almost 15,000 beds available in Florida

..what has changed is the amount of time a patient spends in ICU....or even in the hosp at all

now hosp are releasing and turning patients over in days.......not weeks/months like it was before
You didn't read the boldfaced paragraph in post 222?

As always, you ignore the health deficiencies, often long-term and perhaps permanent, incurred by those infected by this still relatively unknown disease, even when the infected individuals are relatively asymptomatic. See posts 212 and 214. This consideration, apart from the unnecessary deaths, economic carnage, and perhaps irreparable educational deficiencies, is perhaps the biggest indictment of the Trump/DeSantis/Republican strategy of not eliminating community spread as has incurred in other nations, such as Australia, also led by conservative politicians.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/flor...ns-die-22.html

With a posititivity rate above 5 percent, Florida is experiencing an unacceptable upsurge in community spread, unlike when the positivity rate was below 5 percent. Testing also is inadequate when the positivity rate is above 5 percent.

Australia's population is greater than Florida's, and there is little risk of infection there currently. Businesses are open normally and kids can go to school without fear of infection. Case rates are sufficiently low that robust testing, contract tracing and mandatory quarantine policies can contain community spread.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=9US...4dUDCA0&uact=5

For some reason, neither the Democrats nor the mainstream media emphasize the superior public health outcomes during this pandemic in other nations, with the possible exception of Canada.

With competent leadership, our experience should have resembled that of Australia. My disgust is profound, not only with our failed leadership, but also with their enablers/apologists.

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Old 11-21-2020, 09:52 AM
 
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First off...there's no "enormous surge" in cases....unless you're so retarded you still don't understand how that works...or have some agenda

...Florida went from testing ~60,000 people a day......to testing over 120,000 people a day...that's the only reason they can claim some hysterical surge in cases.....they tested twice as many people

the percentage of positives has stayed the same.....~7.5%

=======

There's no critical shortage of hospital beds either.....right now, stats are showing almost 15,000 beds available in Florida

..what has changed is the amount of time a patient spends in ICU....or even in the hosp at all

now hosp are releasing and turning patients over in days.......not weeks/months like it was before

I live in NJ, and they do a "great job" on BS covid numbers IMHO.


IMO: It's that those leaders involved think most of the populous is stupid to see how far they can control them. This is all about their POWER-TRIPS, then trying to retain that by all unlawful/unethical/crooked means necessary as the populous to them are their puppets.
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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For some reason, neither the Democrats nor the mainstream media emphasize the superior public health outcomes during this pandemic in other nations, with the possible exception of Canada.

With competent leadership, our experience should have resembled that of Australia. My disgust is profound, not only with our failed leadership, but also with their enablers/apologists.

I think it is tough to compare countries with more centralized federal governments to the US. Based on my understanding, the feds have to get the states to buy into recommendations on COVID. Thank goodness the cities/states don't have total control over airports, or our response to 9/11 would have been disorganized. Nevertheless, cities and states did have buy-in to security recommendations for things they do control, which has helped America avoid a repeat attack on the same scale.

I did read an article yesterday that said that with a potentially stronger approach to COVID from Biden that more Republican governors will use Biden as cover to enact mandates such as mask-wearing, curfews, capacity restrictions, etc. I genuinely believe that many Republican governors, sans maybe those of TX, FL, and MS, want to be more active, but they don't want to risk angering the Trump base.

I think Florida will fare better than many places not because of some magical state government efforts or lack thereof, but because we are fortunate to be able to do things outdoors virtually year round. The Panhandle and a few weeks here and there in Central Florida would be the exception.
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Old 11-21-2020, 12:52 PM
 
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what idiots....Florida is using rapid tests.....rapid tests give false positives

" The study found Quidel's test produced more false positives than positives confirmed by the gold standard PCR tests."

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Florida has now begun receiving 400,000 rapid coronavirus testing kits a week from the federal government.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...u-can-get-one/

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Here's why we can't rely on rapid tests....

Dozens of people who took a rapid SARS-CoV-2 test developed by biotech company Quidel at a Manchester, Vermont, clinic in July were told they had the virus.

Subsequent PCR tests run by the state’s Department of Health found that only 4 out of those 65 were positive.

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...vid-19-testing

Earlier this month, shortly before Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine was due to meet President Donald Trump at a Cleveland airport, the governor tested positive on a rapid antigen test for the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, that causes the disease COVID-19.

Two follow-up tests, using a more accurate polymerase chain reaction, or PCR test, showed the governor didn’t have the virus.

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