[beachmouse]

So tell me how much money DeSantis' mad desire fo the White House will cost the state's economy if this goes through?

https://thepointsguy.com/news/norweg...-from-florida/

The world’s third largest cruise company is prepared to pull its ships from Florida in the coming months if it has to comply with the state’s new law against vaccine mandates.

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings president and CEO Frank Del Rio on Thursday suggested the company’s three brands — Norwegian Cruise Line, Oceania Cruises and Regent Seven Seas Cruises — would move their Florida-based vessels to home ports in other states or even to non-U.S. ports in the Caribbean if they were forced to comply with the new rule.

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings has announced all its ships would resume operations this year with a requirement that all passengers and crew be vaccinated for COVID-19 — a mandate that is not allowed under the Florida law.


“We hope that this doesn’t become a legal football or a political football,” Del Rio told Wall Street analysts during a conference call to discuss the company’s quarterly earnings. “But, at the end of the day, cruise ships have motors, propellers and rudders, and God forbid we can’t operate in the state of Florida for whatever reason, there are other states where we do operate from. [Or] we can operate from the Caribbean … we certainly hope it doesn’t come to that.”

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Ok, They can take their ball and go home. Plenty of other operators will fill in the small void they leave. Gotta love that free market!

[kidyankee764]

Where are they gonna go? New York, where they’ll have to sail in frigid weather half the year? Texas, which promises the same as Florida re vaccines? Savannah, which barely can accommodate one ship, nevermind several? Out of the country, effectively making travel difficult and more expensive for 90% of their clientele?

The company is playing a game to get their way. We all know they’re going nowhere.

[_burrito]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Where are they gonna go? New York, where they’ll have to sail in frigid weather half the year? Texas, which promises the same as Florida re vaccines? Savannah, which barely can accommodate one ship, nevermind several? Out of the country, effectively making travel difficult and more expensive for 90% of their clientele?

The company is playing a game to get their way. We all know they’re going nowhere.

The CEO will learn the old axiom... Get woke, go broke.

[Corrie22]

how quickly they forget......

”As the coronavirus was causing multiple deaths and hundreds of infections on cruise ships, cruise lines kept sailing while pulling out previous tools by dropping prices and encouraging future bookings.”

”In an email obtained by Miami New Times, a senior sales manager at Norwegian Cruise Lines was encouraging salespeople to downright lie, ”to help you close your guests that are on the fence.”

The email stated that these misleading statements are only to be used if a person is worried about coronavirus, noting, ”DO NOT USE THESE unless the coronavirus is brought up.”

The lies included things about coronavirus being unable to survive in warmer climates and that the health crisis will be resolved by spring. The talking points also included reassurances such as, ”the only thing you need to worry about for your cruise is, do you have enough sunscreen?””

”Carnival is the largest cruise company in the world, accounting for 41 percent of the industry’s revenue. Together with Royal Caribbean and Norwegian, who account for 21 and 13 percent respectively, the three cruise companies, and their 15 cruise lines, make up 75 percent of the industry. Together they reported $34 billion in revenue in 2018.”

”Carnival is incorporated in Panama, Norwegian in The Bahamas, and Royal Caribbean in the small West African nation of Liberia. The billions in revenue also don’t help Florida or the U.S., with the big three paying an estimated less than one percent in U.S. taxes. The tax loopholes don’t end there.”'


https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/...ness-practices

[roodd279]

I would say, at least for now, Norwegian is examining the cost of closing down again due to a single onboard case, repeatedly, vs the cost of moving ports.



It's also possible that they just don't care about Florida - or the USA for that matter. While the most US sailings for them are from Miami - their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most busy ports are Hawaii, Seattle, and NY. They have a strong world-wide fleet, and not permitting vaccinations will dent much of that traffic. They may run into the opposite philosophy in Europe - no vaccine, no ports. Asia too. No vaccine = no points.


So in sum - it may indeed damage Miami more it hurts Norwegian.

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Originally Posted by roodd279

I would say, at least for now, Norwegian is examining the cost of closing down again due to a single onboard case, repeatedly, vs the cost of moving ports.



It's also possible that they just don't care about Florida - or the USA for that matter. While the most US sailings for them are from Miami - their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th most busy ports are Hawaii, Seattle, and NY. They have a strong world-wide fleet, and not permitting vaccinations will dent much of that traffic. They may run into the opposite philosophy in Europe - no vaccine, no ports. Asia too. No vaccine = no points.


So in sum - it may indeed damage Miami more it hurts Norwegian.

The US is the largest user of cruise ships in the world. You WANT to be here if this is your industry.

But if they pull out, Competitors will take up the slack. I can't see how this will hurt Miami at all.

[Corrie22]

Carnival is sticking pins in little Norwegian dolls as we speak.....LOL

...anyone that thinks Carnival won't fill that void in 5 seconds....is not thinking

[Huasho]

Cruising from now on is for Troglodites, I hated to be out there in those Boats full of OVEREATERS, the wife loved Cruising until Covid arrived and that did the trick finally.

No more silly trips with hundreds of people you never knew. Goinn back to travelling SOLOS again and away from Cruising Liners !!!

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Where are they gonna go? New York, where they’ll have to sail in frigid weather half the year? Texas, which promises the same as Florida re vaccines? Savannah, which barely can accommodate one ship, nevermind several? Out of the country, effectively making travel difficult and more expensive for 90% of their clientele?

The company is playing a game to get their way. We all know they’re going nowhere.

Mobile, Alabama would do whatever it takes to get regular western Caribbean departures out of its port again. (Mee-Maw is very big on Alabama economic development, not running for President/VP in 2024 and I would guarantee she's got her people talking to all the cruise lines right now.) New Orleans can also do similar routes. San Juan, PR seems to have decent cruise ship capacity.

And do keep in mind that the cruise lines are also negotiating with, I'm guessing 12-15 different small sovereign nations with limited medical infrastructures (even the relatively rich ones) who are monitoring what's happening in the Seychelles right now, assessing whether they should really trust the efficacy of the
Sputnik or Chinese vaccines they've managed to lay hands on, and possibly coming up with national policies saying that 'we welcome all vaccinated cruise ship passengers to our island home now'.