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Old 06-24-2008, 08:56 AM
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Definite plus for Florida, jobs, jobs and more jobs.

And no it wont take years to get the oil and there is enough oil in the basin to last us for many years.

So, yes, well worth it until we can finally get something going with alternatives which we voters should be demanding.

The dems in congress today want to nationalize all oil refineries, otherwords control them. In that case, I say no.

Floridas economy would be helped so much. People coming into Florida for the jobs and spending lots of money. Not counting the construction type jobs etc.

Drill as fast as we can.
Agreed. We have no other choice. Myth-based protectionism will oppose this obvious solution, but it's still a solution.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:59 AM
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Maybe 200-250 people work on one oil platform. Though figures would vary, it would not be in the tens of thousands. Therefore, it would not even make a tiny dent in the Florida unemployment situation.
Wrong. The overall industry includes tens of thousands, as would the support/supply/transport and business management, administration, and all the other facets of these companies. It's not just a rig worker economy.

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Quick fixes, like drilling for oil in the Gulf, without thinking of the long term ramifications is a recipe for disaster.
Please itemize these long term ramifications.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:03 AM
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According to the Energy Information Administration, new drilling today would not have an impact on prices til 2030.
Which is what they've said every time the issue comes up. Ten years ago the pay-back date was 2020, and ten years before that, it was 2010. The difference is that today we face gas that's tripled in cost.

Meanwhile, the prima donnas in the environmental political left have put the US in a position well behind countries with far lesser purchasing power. Brilliant.

Lastly, we need to reinvigorate US industry and we need to do it now. The other factor that inflates oil is the weak, over-printed US dollar, one not based on manufacturing and export.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:05 AM
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The production of US oil from domestic drilling will never keep up with our demand. Until we find another source of oil, the oil producing countries will be super power.
Apparently China, among many others, feels it pays to come halfway around the world to pump oil from 60 miles off our coast. Apparently China feels there's useful resources here.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:26 AM
 
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Apparently China, among many others, feels it pays to come halfway around the world to pump oil from 60 miles off our coast. Apparently China feels there's useful resources here.
But industry experts and other observers say there is zero evidence that China is drilling in Cuban waters, and doesn't even hold a lease to drill offshore.''China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period,'' said Jorge Piñon, an energy expert at the University of Miami's Center for Hemispheric Policy. (broken link)
Didn't we used to be the world's leader in technology?
Surely we can come up with something--and end up exporting it and making a lot of $, isn't that what we used to be famous for?
I just don't think we can offshore drill our way out of this mess.
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Old 06-24-2008, 01:56 PM
 
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From the article linked by Blue Willow Plate:

"China's Sinopec oil company does have an agreement with the Cuban government to develop onshore resources west of Havana, Piñon said. The Chinese have done some seismic testing, he said, but no drilling. Western diplomats in Havana told McClatchy that to the best of their knowledge there is no Chinese drilling offshore."

You do 2D and 3D sismic exploration surveys before you drill to identify likely targets. These surveys take a while, sometimes years, before the actual drilling starts.

If China finds some good hydrocarbon formations with these sismic surveys they will be able to drill anywhere in Cuban National Waters, including less than 50 miles south of the Florida Keys.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:03 PM
 
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Which is what they've said every time the issue comes up. Ten years ago the pay-back date was 2020, and ten years before that, it was 2010. The difference is that today we face gas that's tripled in cost.
It is interesting that the enviromental left wants to go foward with long term projects that suit their agenda like alternate energy and ending autos powered by gasoline which are years out.

They also support long term efforts to stem CO2 emissions to stop global warming which may not bear fruit for 50 years or more if ever.

Yet they oppose offshore drilling partially on the grounds that it will be 5 years until the drilling would produce large amts of oil.

By that logic drug companies should not try to spend money to find new medicines cause they take years to come on line.

We should go foward full speed on alternate energy, conservation, effenciency, and domestic drilling.

All are needed to wean the US off imported oil that is bankrupting this country.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:12 PM
 
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We need ALTERNATE forms of energy. Florida could certainly use solar power. I have heard about using recycled oil from restaurants. Back in the 70s, they floated the idea of using manure. That might not be pleasing to the nose, but it certainly will never, um, run out of supply.
It amazes me how many idiots there still are running things. If we develop alternative green fuels then guess what happens to our dependence on places like the middle east for energy? How about the destruction of our environment?

Oh mr. conservative guy there is no such thing...yes having hundreds of tornados and setting a record this year shows nothing about how screwed up our environment is.


It burns me to know end. I hope they don't pollute FL and other places more by adding off-shore drilling. However, in some ways our compacency had kept things going as they are.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:17 PM
 
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It is interesting that the enviromental left wants to go foward with long term projects that suit their agenda like alternate energy and ending autos powered by gasoline which are years out.

They also support long term efforts to stem CO2 emissions to stop global warming which may not bear fruit for 50 years or more if ever.

Yet they oppose offshore drilling partially on the grounds that it will be 5 years until the drilling would produce large amts of oil.

By that logic drug companies should not try to spend money to find new medicines cause they take years to come on line.

We should go foward full speed on alternate energy, conservation, effenciency, and domestic drilling.

All are needed to wean the US off imported oil that is bankrupting this country.
Ummm no. There have been automobiles running on alternative fuels. In the 70s the manufacturers purchased and destoryed the plans. In the 90s stars like Tom Hanks were driving electric cars and they were all called back on some bullspit excuse. You know what they did with those cars...they pounded them into dust. There is a show about inventors on the History network, I think, where a bunch of college students built a non gasoline engine for a van. Heck there was a couple out there selling engine conversion kits that got hounded by the govt.

We do not need off-shore drilling. We can build alternative sources in the same amount of time. The people, ideas, etc. are there we just need the panzies to stop cow-towing to the big companies and grow a pair like Stephen Colbert.
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Old 06-24-2008, 02:25 PM
 
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Florida Republicans get behind McCain's offshore drilling proposal - St. Petersburg Times

one thing they often gloss over


it would take yrs, maybe a decade or more, before any oil would come from these new rigs

in addition, they think there is only a few yrs worth of oil

so, is it really worth it?


State: Is this in Florida's future?
This picture is hype,they would be drilling 120 plus miles off shore,not visible.China already drilling so I heard??
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