[Shores9]

Originally Posted by Muggy

Hey Retiredcoach, you're an excellent addition to the board. I've really enjoyed reading your posts.

Just a quick note: that the state is gaining 900/day is not necessarily indicative 900/day relocating. A few months ago this was debated on this forum. Since the census is a sweeping head-count, it includes residents that were born here.

Check out birth stats here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm

Click on "Tabulated State Data" and you'll see that Florida had over 200,000 births last year; among the highest. That is adding roughly 600 of the 900 people per day.

Muggy – correct – Florida did have 232,713 births but it also had 174,147 deaths accounting for a net gain of 58,566 Natural Increase in Population or about 162 new residents per day.

Aside from that the Census Bureau reports an increase of population due to net migration of 265,511 or about 737 new residents per day

Source US Census Bureau –
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/population/007910.html (broken link)

[JimKing]

What states are not becoming welfare states? Florida is one of only two states in the US to have a budget surplus.

The entire midwest is full of welfare states, that is states that get back more federal dollars than they pay in. So is the entire south.

Only the northeast states and CA pay in more than they get back.

[pslOldTimer]

Originally Posted by Need_affordable_home

More people are leaving than entering. Lots of people want Florida but even more want out.

Please go back and read the original message in the thread. Florida GAINED 900 people per day. That means that there were 900 MORE people moving IN (or being born) than were moving out (or dying). Your claim is ridiculous in the face of the facts.

It is this type of negative blathering and misinformation that is hurting this forum. Please THINK before you post.

[LeavingFlorida05]

Originally Posted by pslOldTimer

Please go back and read the original message in the thread. Florida GAINED 900 people per day. That means that there were 900 MORE people moving IN (or being born) than were moving out (or dying). Your claim is ridiculous in the face of the facts.

It is this type of negative blathering and misinformation that is hurting this forum. Please THINK before you post.

Perhaps you should think before you post. The original post says nothing about whether people are entering or leaving. It states that there was a net population gain. Subsequent posts claimed that population gain was not due to Americans moving to Florida, rather it was due to immigration and birth rate. You have not dispelled this argument. You have merely attacked someone with an opposing viewpoint. Bring facts next time.

[Retiredcoach]

Originally Posted by JimKing

What states are not becoming welfare states? Florida is one of only two states in the US to have a budget surplus.

The entire midwest is full of welfare states, that is states that get back more federal dollars than they pay in. So is the entire south.

Only the northeast states and CA pay in more than they get back.

Jim,

I'm not criticizing your post, but just questioning your source of information. Pennsylvania has been reported to have had a state budget surplus for the past few years. What was not told was that the local municipalities in Pa have been forced to absorb "additional costs" to sustain this facade. Just saying that "Peter was robbed to pay Paul" (eg: higher local tax burdens).

Florida is the 4th most populous state in the USA, but ranks 36th in median income. That translates to mean that more people in your state make less money than all but 14 other states in the country. Like a magnet, Florida is drawing more individuals (both rich and poor) to your economy. If the influx of people is due to good jobs derived from advanced education, the Florida economy will prosper. On the other hand, if Florida's growth is due only to the climate, your population base will not be able to sustain itself without significant government intervention (eg. welfare). Sunshine and/or government slight of hand cannot meet the extensive needs of the populace without good jobs and/or opportunity.

[Shores9]

Originally Posted by LeavingFlorida05

Perhaps you should think before you post. The original post says nothing about whether people are entering or leaving. It states that there was a net population gain. Subsequent posts claimed that population gain was not due to Americans moving to Florida, rather it was due to immigration and birth rate. You have not dispelled this argument. You have merely attacked someone with an opposing viewpoint. Bring facts next time.

So sticking to the original post ... how would you define Net Population gain? Duh… We really don’t need the subsequent posts to figure this one out. People have to come from somewhere when there is a gain. Its plainly obvious that short of extraterrestrials landing in Florida (what a good thread) it would be Births and people from either other states or other countries. And to the contrary subsequent posts point to US census data that other AMERICANS are moving to Florida and in fact it is those other Americans that make up Florida’s largest segment of new residents

I think plsOldTimer has got it right

[pianogal]

And to the contrary subsequent posts point to US census data that other AMERICANS are moving to Florida and in fact it is those other Americans that make up Florida’s largest segment of new residents

It seems pretty obvious...now doesn't it? Thanks, Shores, you, Sunrico and couple of others have a knack for bringing everything down to its elemental level! And that's meant as a compliment!

[sunrico90]

Originally Posted by Jammie

I was wondering if people from Puerto Rico could ever be considered as illegal immigrants. Could people from the U.S. Virgin Islands be considered illegals? Since they're all U.S. territories, aren't they actually U.S. citizens to begin with?

Jammie,

They are US citizens, therefore they are not illegal immigrants...

Populated for centuries by aboriginal peoples, the island was claimed by the Spanish Crown in 1493 following COLUMBUS' second voyage to the Americas. In 1898, after 400 years of colonial rule that saw the indigenous population nearly exterminated and African slave labor introduced, Puerto Rico was ceded to the US as a result of the Spanish-American War. Puerto Ricans were granted US citizenship in 1917. Popularly-elected governors have served since 1948. In 1952, a constitution was enacted providing for internal self government. In plebiscites held in 1967, 1993, and 1998, voters chose not to alter the existing political status.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rq.html (broken link)

During the submarine warfare phases of the First World War, the United States, fearing that the islands might be seized by Germany as a submarine base, once again approached Denmark to sell the islands to the United States. After a few months of negotiations, a selling price of $25 million was agreed. The Danish Crown may have felt some pressure to accept the sale, thinking that the United States would seize the islands if Denmark was invaded by Germany. However, at the same time the economics of continued possession weighed heavily on the minds of Danish decision makers, and a bipartisan consensus in favor of selling emerged in the Danish parliament. A subsequent referendum held in late 1916 confirmed the decision to sell by a wide margin. The deal was thus ratified and finalized on January 17, 1917, when the United States and Denmark exchanged their respective treaty ratifications. The U.S. took possession of the islands on March 31, 1917, when the territory was renamed the Virgin Islands of the United States.

U.S. citizenship was granted to the inhabitants of the islands in 1927.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Virgin_Islands

[Shores9]

Originally Posted by pianogal

And to the contrary subsequent posts point to US census data that other AMERICANS are moving to Florida and in fact it is those other Americans that make up Florida’s largest segment of new residents

It seems pretty obvious...now doesn't it? Thanks, Shores, you, Sunrico and couple of others have a knack for bringing everything down to its elemental level! And that's meant as a compliment!

Pianogal it does seem obvious!!! PS I read your thread on Interesting Notes about Florida's Population Growth and thought it was quite interesting especially the stat on where these people are coming from… NY NJ CA MA seem obvious but Texas and NC was a surprise.

Anyone reading here should read that - thanks

[firemed]

Originally Posted by sunrico90

Jammie,

They are US citizens, therefore they are not illegal immigrants...

Populated for centuries by aboriginal peoples, the island was claimed by the Spanish Crown in 1493 following COLUMBUS' second voyage to the Americas. In 1898, after 400 years of colonial rule that saw the indigenous population nearly exterminated and African slave labor introduced, Puerto Rico was ceded to the US as a result of the Spanish-American War. Puerto Ricans were granted US citizenship in 1917. Popularly-elected governors have served since 1948. In 1952, a constitution was enacted providing for internal self government. In plebiscites held in 1967, 1993, and 1998, voters chose not to alter the existing political status.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rq.html (broken link)

During the submarine warfare phases of the First World War, the United States, fearing that the islands might be seized by Germany as a submarine base, once again approached Denmark to sell the islands to the United States. After a few months of negotiations, a selling price of $25 million was agreed. The Danish Crown may have felt some pressure to accept the sale, thinking that the United States would seize the islands if Denmark was invaded by Germany. However, at the same time the economics of continued possession weighed heavily on the minds of Danish decision makers, and a bipartisan consensus in favor of selling emerged in the Danish parliament. A subsequent referendum held in late 1916 confirmed the decision to sell by a wide margin. The deal was thus ratified and finalized on January 17, 1917, when the United States and Denmark exchanged their respective treaty ratifications. The U.S. took possession of the islands on March 31, 1917, when the territory was renamed the Virgin Islands of the United States.

U.S. citizenship was granted to the inhabitants of the islands in 1927.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Virgin_Islands

Great history ! Thanks