[TANaples]

Originally Posted by OrlandoRE_Miracle

Is Naples a highly walkable city? I've never been down there.

near the beach is very walkable. The rest of Naples? Why bother.

[JohnVosilla]

Originally Posted by BCreass

I'm not a fan of indoor gyms myself. If I'm going to exercise, I want to enjoy doing it and actually be outdoors on a bike, for example. I also like to walk everywhere and use mass transit, as opposed to just driving everywhere. I've actually wondered what the most "walkable" city in FL is....because it's certainly not Miami.

There are reasons the great walkable cities remain up north or out west and it is not all due to just the weather. Also a huge mistake made down here is to not install a long interconnected boardwalk on the beach like in SoCal. Way too many areas closed off by condos and estate homes. Perhaps because of stronger protection of property rights versus the public benefit as California is famous for? At least if you live in Miami you got South Beach and Coconut Grove..doesn't get much better than that here..

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by JohnVosilla

Also a huge mistake made down here is to not install a long interconnected boardwalk on the beach like in SoCal.

Hollywood has this exact setup and Ft. Lauderdale, South Beach and Delray have something similar. So Cal is also mostly dominated by a privately owned coast.

[Doctor Octagon]

Originally Posted by grapico

Key parts in bold...

very true, nothing we'd want to do, we sit around...
friends here? non existent, have tried, most people are rednecks or douchebags... and it isn't me and my gf, we have plenty of friends elsewhere. (something in the water?)

sun/beach/party ...and i'd add mud/fish here, but there are a lot of so fla people here too for university... drop the latinos, insert rednecks...you just described it here.


but Yeah I was partially raised here, it was only when I started living here, not being a student in my little school cliques (who all my friends there left), not being in my parents house, not going to the beach or being able to actually wear shorts and no shirt all the time... doing stuff not involved with school...that I started to see the true reality of FL and grew to hate it. I left after college and lived abroad, and lived in a real city (Chicago) It is even worse being back this time around. I'm out in less than a month, I hope you get out soon. I honestly don't even want to visit here again, I'll pay for my mom and dad to come out to SF (another real city), or wherever I am at even later in life.

Where do you live now Grapico?

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by grapico

Key parts in bold...

very true, nothing we'd want to do, we sit around...
friends here? non existent, have tried, most people are rednecks or douchebags... and it isn't me and my gf, we have plenty of friends elsewhere. (something in the water?)

sun/beach/party ...and i'd add mud/fish here, but there are a lot of so fla people here too for university... drop the latinos, insert rednecks...you just described it here.


but Yeah I was partially raised here, it was only when I started living here, not being a student in my little school cliques (who all my friends there left), not being in my parents house, not going to the beach or being able to actually wear shorts and no shirt all the time... doing stuff not involved with school...that I started to see the true reality of FL and grew to hate it. I left after college and lived abroad, and lived in a real city (Chicago) It is even worse being back this time around. I'm out in less than a month, I hope you get out soon. I honestly don't even want to visit here again, I'll pay for my mom and dad to come out to SF (another real city), or wherever I am at even later in life.

Sounds like the Florida I left behind around the year 2001.

It's kinda funny, Everytime I tried to make a friend in Florida when I tried to move back in 2004 was either on house arrest, eventually tried to sell me drugs, or was partly crazy. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same...

[matchpoint]

None of my parents' friends or friends of friends ever moved out of Florida. If it was good for them it will be GREAT for me. I have had perfect visits to Florida as a kid and adult. I've lived in so many other parts of the nation, Florida is going to be the best place of them all.

[grapico]

Originally Posted by TNRyan23

Sounds like the Florida I left behind around the year 2001.

It's kinda funny, Everytime I tried to make a friend in Florida when I tried to move back in 2004 was either on house arrest, eventually tried to sell me drugs, or was partly crazy. Sounds like the more things change the more they stay the same...

lol funny stuff, and I remember some of your posts before. Yeah I left in 2002, then came back here recently dec 2008...leaving again, things are worse

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by grapico

lol funny stuff, and I remember some of your posts before. Yeah I left in 2002, then came back here recently dec 2008...leaving again, things are worse

Where you headed ? The economy is rough pretty much everywhere with the exception of Texas and Louisiana, I hope to get to Texas before the economy dries up myself..

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by matchpoint

None of my parents' friends or friends of friends ever moved out of Florida. If it was good for them it will be GREAT for me. I have had perfect visits to Florida as a kid and adult. I've lived in so many other parts of the nation, Florida is going to be the best place of them all.

Beware of perfect visits when it comes down to living somwhere...

[grapico]

Originally Posted by TNRyan23

Beware of perfect visits when it comes down to living somwhere...

SF Bay area...longggg way from here, better job, better schools, free place to stay until me and my gf get settled in. Both times I left it seems I'm trying to get further and further away, first time was Chicago @ 1000 miles away... now SF @ 2700 miles away


yeah definitely beware the perfect visits to fl... what month did you go? did you do non tourist stuff? did you wear normal clothes? did you drive in traffic, see the jobs, see the schools, conversate with the locals outside your family?

things to ask...

As Admiral Ackbar would say... its a trap!