[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

Indiana and Purdue are so much better than Florida, have you ever been to IU's campus ? I've been to both Bloomington and Gainesville and its not even close. Ask your professors - Florida academics are more like Kentucky than IU.

Here's the Economists rating but it only goes top 20 and to be fair and only a couple of Big 10 schools are in there - 3 branches of the University of California fill the list.
http://www.economist.com/images/20050910/CSU834.gif

I sat on an accrediting board for law schools - Florida was so so- I actually like Florida State being in the capital but it didn't get high ratings either.

Worldwide the LONDON TIMES is usually considered the authority
Times Higher Education - Education news, resources and university jobs for the academic world

Even though I don't personally agree with their results. U of Florida came in right next to Bloomington but over all they were #165 and #170 not horrible but nothing to brag about either.

Insert foot in mouth............UF is 52nd on that list for US schools. Which is right around where they are in the US New rankings. There is no consistency to any of your posts and you continue to contradict yourself.

Thanks for finding a ranking that you call the "authority" that ranks UF just where I claimed ever ranking service did.

[matchpoint]

Florida universities, like most universities across the nation, are regionally-strong. If a student wants to settle in Florida than going to a Florida school will open more doors to employment than, say, a degree from another state's state school. The exception to this rule is any school listed on the USNWR Top 25--which is basically the Ivies, the wannabe Ivies and the heavy science schools. Graduates from the Ivies and the pseudo-ivies can settle wherever they want to, basically. Likewise if the student desires to settle in Virginia, than a Virginia-area school would be better than a Florida school.

I read a post way back where someone claimed the Univ of Oregon football coach thought UC Berkeley offered the best blend of academics/athletics and Oregon's rivals were UCLA/USC? Oregon's rivals are Oregon State and Washington, not the LA schools. Berkeley might be the best academic school for Div 1 football but Stanford probably has the better overall sports department. Stanford owns the Director's Cup. They are just laughable in football.

I read somewhere, maybe the WSJ, where it ranked high schools and Florida had some very highly rated private high schools. The last time I visited Tampa I noticed plenty of public high schools that *looked* better than most I've seen in other parts of the nation.

[ocean2026]

gatornation - how many times have you conveniently ignored the question of whether you might be biased or not. All I said was that Florida didn't seem to be as bad as I had thought before I looked, it still is not one of the better universities.

matchpoint- I'm not sure where you're going with the Berkeley comment. Oregon's main rival is OSU of course but all the Pac 10 schools are rivals. Stanford does do well in minor sports, and lately its football team has been horrible, but unfortunately they usually don't stay down long. As for Berkeley I may have mentioned that statement myself- I really like them - and remember when back in 1974 or so 3rd string QB Vince Ferragamo transferred from Cal to Nebraska complaining that the students didn't really worship jocks like they should. The 2nd string QB was Bartkowski who went on to a career with the Atlanta Falcons. The first string QB ( and he had to be good to beat out that competition) was a guy named Joe Roth. Roth was to many people the best quarterback they had ever seen. His stats were a bit misleading as he played a couple of games when his brain cancer was so advanced it was amazing he could walk and that's what killed him.

I agree if someone was going to settle in Florida - Florida would be an ok choice. I don't see much support from anyone without a GATOR in their screenname that its anything close to a top school. On a Florida board it should have gotten a lot more support. Try saying U of Michigan, U of Texas or U of California are lousy schools on one of those state boards and aside from rivals ( Texas A&M) perhaps agreeing - there would be a pile of locals defending their school. Living outside of Florida and having lived in many parts of the country - I never hear anyone mention Florida for anything except football.

[Gatornation]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

gatornation - how many times have you conveniently ignored the question of whether you might be biased or not. All I said was that Florida didn't seem to be as bad as I had thought before I looked, it still is not one of the better universities.

matchpoint- I'm not sure where you're going with the Berkeley comment. Oregon's main rival is OSU of course but all the Pac 10 schools are rivals. Stanford does do well in minor sports, and lately its football team has been horrible, but unfortunately they usually don't stay down long. As for Berkeley I may have mentioned that statement myself- I really like them - and remember when back in 1974 or so 3rd string QB Vince Ferragamo transferred from Cal to Nebraska complaining that the students didn't really worship jocks like they should. The 2nd string QB was Bartkowski who went on to a career with the Atlanta Falcons. The first string QB ( and he had to be good to beat out that competition) was a guy named Joe Roth. Roth was to many people the best quarterback they had ever seen. His stats were a bit misleading as he played a couple of games when his brain cancer was so advanced it was amazing he could walk and that's what killed him.

I agree if someone was going to settle in Florida - Florida would be an ok choice. I don't see much support from anyone without a GATOR in their screenname that its anything close to a top school. On a Florida board it should have gotten a lot more support. Try saying U of Michigan, U of Texas or U of California are lousy schools on one of those state boards and aside from rivals ( Texas A&M) perhaps agreeing - there would be a pile of locals defending their school. Living outside of Florida and having lived in many parts of the country - I never hear anyone mention Florida for anything except football.

So I take it you saw UF at 152(in your proclaimed authority in rankings) and didn't think to add up where that put them in the US huh? Just so happens it puts them where I claimed in the rankings of my initial post. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

You are the one giving your personal opinions, which by definition are bias.

All I've referenced is rankings from various publications and services. Oh yeah and most recently your "authority" on rankings!

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by ocean2026

I agree if someone was going to settle in Florida - Florida would be an ok choice. I don't see much support from anyone without a GATOR in their screenname that its anything close to a top school. On a Florida board it should have gotten a lot more support. Try saying U of Michigan, U of Texas or U of California are lousy schools on one of those state boards and aside from rivals ( Texas A&M) perhaps agreeing - there would be a pile of locals defending their school. Living outside of Florida and having lived in many parts of the country - I never hear anyone mention Florida for anything except football.

Florida is a different animal. Florida has the largest transient population in the U.S. and there are almost no native. That leaves people that love things they're familiar with, i.e. some guy from Ohio that moves to Miami isn't just going to be a Canes fan or UM supporter. He'll always be a Buckeye.

This is also the South, Seminoles and Canes fans will NOT be on here saying UF is a good school and like it or not, Football rules in the South although the Gators are pretty decent in baseball and basketball.

On this forum in particular you'll find alot of people that hate Florida (not including myself, I don't HATE Florida) however, I can tell you this much. I am a former resident and a real life native of the great state of Florida and I will tell you that UF is a DAMN good school. If I was able to get in, It would be my 2nd choice right behind the University of Texas.

Gatornation is alive and well and honestly doesn't care about your opinion.

[Mike Peterson]

Originally Posted by TNRyan23

Florida is a different animal. Florida has the largest transient population in the U.S. and there are almost no native. That leaves people that love things they're familiar with, i.e. some guy from Ohio that moves to Miami isn't just going to be a Canes fan or UM supporter. He'll always be a Buckeye.

This is also the South, Seminoles and Canes fans will NOT be on here saying UF is a good school and like it or not, Football rules in the South although the Gators are pretty decent in baseball and basketball.

On this forum in particular you'll find alot of people that hate Florida (not including myself, I don't HATE Florida) however, I can tell you this much. I am a former resident and a real life native of the great state of Florida and I will tell you that UF is a DAMN good school. If I was able to get in, It would be my 2nd choice right behind the University of Texas.

Gatornation is alive and well and honestly doesn't care about your opinion.

Can you point me in the direction of the study on transient population that shows Florida has the largest.
I see that thrown around so much but have never seen and study showing how it is the largest.

Transient does mean staying only a short time so just because Florida has alot of people move here does not make them transient.

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by Mike Peterson

Can you point me in the direction of the study on transient population that shows Florida has the largest.
I see that thrown around so much but have never seen and study showing how it is the largest.

Transient does mean staying only a short time so just because Florida has alot of people move here does not make them transient.

My husband's cousin lived in Florida for 2 years. He came here to open a local office for his insurance company. He got a Florida license, rented a house, put the kids in school, but after everything was completed, he packed up and left. Wouldn't you consider him a transient? He knew before he ever moved here that he was leaving as soon as his project was over. Transient, even though by all outward appearances (and statistics) he was a resident.

My husband's nephew was offered a job in Tampa. He went saying that he would give it a year and see how he liked it. He could be considered a transient.

Contractors do this too. They will live in a place for the length of the contract and when it's finished, they leave.

My daughter moved here in November. She got a license, registered her car, got a job, and moved back in March. Again, by outward appearnces she would have been considered a permanent resident, but she never had any intention of staying. She was a transient.

My husband and I are transients too. We knew before we ever moved here we weren't going to stay, even though we got licenses, jobs, bought houses, etc.

So again, what is your definition of transient? How long is the time period of being transient? I don't think it really matters if the original intention was never to stay in the first place.

[Mike Peterson]

Originally Posted by TANaples

My husband's cousin lived in Florida for 2 years. He came here to open a local office for his insurance company. He got a Florida license, rented a house, put the kids in school, but after everything was completed, he packed up and left. Wouldn't you consider him a transient? He knew before he ever moved here that he was leaving as soon as his project was over. Transient, even though by all outward appearances (and statistics) he was a resident.

My husband's nephew was offered a job in Tampa. He went saying that he would give it a year and see how he liked it. He could be considered a transient.

Contractors do this too. They will live in a place for the length of the contract and when it's finished, they leave.

My daughter moved here in November. She got a license, registered her car, got a job, and moved back in March. Again, by outward appearnces she would have been considered a permanent resident, but she never had any intention of staying. She was a transient.

My husband and I are transients too. We knew before we ever moved here we weren't going to stay, even though we got licenses, jobs, bought houses, etc.

So again, what is your definition of transient? How long is the time period of being transient? I don't think it really matters if the original intention was never to stay in the first place.

Everything you mentioned is done in every state.

I had asked if the poster that stated Florida has the most transients could point me to anything that confirms that.

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by Mike Peterson

Everything you mentioned is done in every state.

I had asked if the poster that stated Florida has the most transients could point me to anything that confirms that.

recording the number of people out, as opposed to in, has been posted many times before.


Fewer Americans move out of state - USATODAY.com#table

It is very interesting to see the percentages of inbound moves. Look at the figures for North Carolina. That just confirms what so many people are saying.

I have also said many times on this forum that from what I have seen, most people are just staying where they are. This article seems to agree with that.

[Mike Peterson]

Originally Posted by TANaples

recording the number of people out, as opposed to in, has been posted many times before.


Fewer Americans move out of state - USATODAY.com#table

It is very interesting to see the percentages of inbound moves. Look at the figures for North Carolina. That just confirms what so many people are saying.

I have also said many times on this forum that from what I have seen, most people are just staying where they are. This article seems to agree with that.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about.