[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by JMadison

Well, say what you will. But what is your physical reaction to a smelly dumpster? You body is trying to tell you something. Emotions are not neccesarily irrational, LOL!

I wouldn't build a home in the middle of a working dump. Transformed/recycled dump sites do not smell like garbage. I covered that already in an earlier post.

As for molecules, well structure is important. Hydrogen, Carbon and Nitrogen are pretty inocuous as elements. But HCN = Hydrogen Cyanide. So there's more to it than just "molecules". LOL!

Hydrogen cyanide is a molecule. Take a chemistry class.

[JMadison]

I have had chemistry classes, LOL! My degree is Bachelor's of Science, LOL!

My point was simply in concurrence to yours. That *what* molecules are present is important, and that structure is also important.

However, I will choose to take a different standpoint on the path a molecule takes.

Since no process is 100%, including recycling processes, the path is important. Where something came from tells you something about what else might be present.

An industrial example, Glad Bags has, to present, refused to try to recycle plastic bags pulled from dumps because they have not come up with a method to clean the materials well enough for their standards. (No doubt to their cost needs either, LOL!)

So yes, path to me is important to me. I'm just suprised other assumedly adults don't feel the same way. Something I've been scratching my head about for years. You can point out the data, and folks will come up with some way justify poor process rather than do things truly correctly.

No doubt because we measure in dollars, rather than tangible results. This has led to all manner of problems.

One that I found interesting was the case of American Atomics in Tucson. They used tritium to make glowing dials for instruments... well they were located next to a chocolate cake factory(!). The tritium got into the cake that was fed to about 40,000 students. Feds went in and confiscated the materials... then buried them... in Phoenix, LOL!

They say the tritium was found in pools all over the area. Apparently it came back down in the rain.

Next up... Grand Junction Co. Urainium mine tailings found there way into the cement used to build a local school...

Next up... the water in Boulder Co... Comes from the resevoir up by Nederland... where they dump processed sewage in. Talk about "Toilet to Tap". That's the most direct example I'm aware of. How that got approved, who knows. They are doing it now in OC, but in a different way. Injecting the treated water into the ground water.

I could go on for days. The screw ups in these processes could fill volumes.

I find it hard to believe people aren't more alarmed. But then when folks are worn out from trying to just live day in, day out, maybe it's understandable. Who's got time to fight every issue?

The headache is, when you are aware of some of these details, and then say, "Well, OK, this is how the world works, but can I find some spot that's not wrecked?" Well, I've found it very hard. Been looking since about 1990 for a place that is non-ghetto, has decent water supply, landfills are pretty far off... and I can afford a home there. So far, failed. The place I know of that fit are generally high priced, and yet have poor job markets unless you happen to be in the Dr./Lawyer set, etc.

Same old thing, the close you look, the worse thing get, LOL!

[JMadison]

Originally Posted by Tungsten_Udder

What it says to me is that either that No, it isn't, because they're not interacting with the molecules that you're worried about.

This is the part I take issue with. They absolutely *have* to be interacting. There's no way they can't. Especially in Naples Municipal Airport Case. Because they are digging it back up and pulling cans and plastics out.

They're making a dust cloud of it.

I think that's indisputable.

So if you are in the area, you *are* interacting.

If that doesn't affect your peace of mind, well OK. But it does affect mine, obviously.

What baffles me is why it *wouldn't* affect you peace of mind. Though I suspect if you were really in the situation and cognizant of it, you might feel differently. Just guess though.

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by JMadison

I have had chemistry classes, LOL! My degree is Bachelor's of Science, LOL!

Was that from Whatsamatta U?

You can point out the data

Pointing out some data correlated to your concerns would probably be a step in the right direction. What did you have in mind?

The tritium got into the cake that was fed to about 40,000 students. Feds went in and confiscated the materials... then buried them... in Phoenix, LOL! . . .

Are you demonstrating the hasty generalization fallacy?

I find it hard to believe people aren't more alarmed.

Maybe a (surprising?) number of folks don't reason that if an (existential) x was F, then all x must be F. [shrug]

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by JMadison

I think that's indisputable.

I'll give you $100 if you can give me ANY empirical evidence of that.

You can't tell me that you don't need money. You just complained about not being able to afford a place you'd like.