[Big House]

Originally Posted by TANaples

right after Thanksgiving to live with us because of financial reasons. She got a job within 3 days of moving here. However, she didn't really want to move here and doesn't want to stay. If an opportunity arises in NY, I know she will move back. She may be counted in these statistics as a young person moving here, but those stats cannot provide the real reasons for her move or her intentions to stay; or for that matter, mine. I know we are only 3 people, but I am sure we cannot possibly be alone in our mindset.

Hey Tan,
Congrats on her job find. At least that will help in the meantime until she can get something and someplace she likes. I know that she posts here too, although I don't remember her handle. One of the great things about the US is that you can make changes and move freely. I know you guys will all end up being and doing the things you enjoy most. I happen to love Florida, and a lot of things about Florida. i've been fortunate to have travelled or lived in most parts of the country North, South, East and West. I've been through periods of my life where you do whatch gotta do, so I appreciate it all. Keep in mind that no matter how bad it gets, it can get much much worse. You feel like you're stuck because of particular conditions that hold you like glue. Have you searched out any job recruiters? A lot of elderly friends of mine have moved and found jobs first through some job recruiters. Some employers have also helped with relocation costs.

[runswithscissors]

I don't think the insurance and property taxes are high but I moved from the North-Pa. I'm paying $550 per year homeowners including 50000 replacement on contents without hurricane shutters (yet) and I'm 3 minutes walking distance from the Intracoastal Waterway. My prop taxes should be about 1200 for a 1400 sq foot condo after taking the homestead status.

I had a $200.00 increase in Auto Insurance moving here but signed with a new company and now have a $200.00 savings compared with my Pa rates.

The problem if the only growth is in births is obvious. The last thing Florida needs is more high school dropouts to add to the huge amount here already.

The two problems here are jobs, and ugliness, imo. Developers have destroyed alot of what made Florida appealing (but you can still find pockets and towns of nice-ness). Then again, so has the traffic so good riddance for now.

The Carolinas are the next to be overpopulated so I wouldn't be guessing what state I'd end up in until visiting and investigating. Arizona has a huge problem from the border there so it's not exactly paradise, either.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by iuki001

We are retired. Although Florida was our number one choice because we love tropical weather (including the rain), due to high property taxes and homeowners/hurricane insurance rates, we will probably move to Arizona (even with their State income tax) when we sell our home here in Washington State. Also, AZ is more RV-friendly when it comes to parking your RV on your property.


iuki

Tropical is here not Az. There are RVs everywhere here in back yards...yes not in condos or many HOAs but you don't move to an HOA if you are an Rv'er.

My prop tax and homeowners are cheap compared to Pa. Don't forget there is homestead here.

If you're lifers from Washington, you probably have beautiful cancer free skin and will enjoy the humidity here BOTH of which you'll lose in Az. At least here you only have to worry about the sun. (google Coolibar clothing)

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

The problem if the only growth is in births is obvious. The last thing Florida needs is more high school dropouts to add to the huge amount here already.

But this supposes that the population growth we enjoyed (if you want to say that) the past few years brought in professional educated people. With the construction and trades fields booming, who's to say that the people leaving now aren't hordes of uneducated tradesmen and construction workers?

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

But this supposes that the population growth we enjoyed (if you want to say that) the past few years brought in professional educated people. With the construction and trades fields booming, who's to say that the people leaving now aren't hordes of uneducated tradesmen and construction workers?

I cannot wait to get the hell out of here. What the hell IS there here for professional educated people? Nothing.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by TANaples

I cannot wait to get the hell out of here. What the hell IS there here for professional educated people? Nothing.

We know you can't wait to get the hell out of here.

If you're asking me to tell you what there is to do in the entire state of Florida, fourth most populous in the nation, I simply cannot do that. This state, like the country, IS diverse in its offerings for all types of people depending on where you go. I don't know anything about Naples, and have no business that takes me to the West Coast (except for periodic hearings in Fort Myers)..... so my knowledge of that area is very limited.

[cuba libre]

Does immigrant overpopulation have anything to do with this? People have left SE Florida in drones for this very reason. Might it be affecting other parts of Florida now?

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

But this supposes that the population growth we enjoyed (if you want to say that) the past few years brought in professional educated people. With the construction and trades fields booming, who's to say that the people leaving now aren't hordes of uneducated tradesmen and construction workers?

No that doesn't suppose that. It supposes that if you cannot produce relatively intelligent entry level trained workers with at least a high school degree (lol).....you will continue to prevent new businesses from moving here and continue to offer meager jobs since you cannot expect with any certainty that a high school dropout can perform the most common functions such as call center for example, not to mention interpersonal people skills.

But anyway, I was responding to the concept that retirees are not coming here and the only growth is in births...some people were theorizing on that idea.

I don't consider tradesmen and construction workers to be undesirables. Where I come from in Pa, tradespeople have the nicest houses and make the best neighbors. In fact when you see a huge football field size masonary wall with giant lions at the driveway, you're pretty sure the guy's in the business LOL.

The dropouts I'm castigating () are the ones who don't work or only work in retail that continue to zone out in the middle of ringing me up. Such as my favorite complaint, the Walmart Customer Service register where as of today, January 2009 almost a complete year after I moved here, the clerks can be seen staring at the register in clouded confusion every time they do a return.....

But your point is taken, if the people leaving were day laborers who cannot afford to live here....see ya. I was also happy to hear the numbers of border crossing and day work is down quite a bit since last year. Except in Tijuana they said.

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

No that doesn't suppose that. It supposes that if you cannot produce relatively intelligent entry level trained workers with at least a high school degree (lol).....you will continue to prevent new businesses from moving here and continue to offer meager jobs since you cannot expect with any certainty that a high school dropout can perform the most common functions such as call center for example, not to mention interpersonal people skills.

But anyway, I was responding to the concept that retirees are not coming here and the only growth is in births...some people were theorizing on that idea.

I don't consider tradesmen and construction workers to be undesirables. Where I come from in Pa, tradespeople have the nicest houses and make the best neighbors. In fact when you see a huge football field size masonary wall with giant lions at the driveway, you're pretty sure the guy's in the business LOL.

The dropouts I'm castigating () are the ones who don't work or only work in retail that continue to zone out in the middle of ringing me up. Such as my favorite complaint, the Walmart Customer Service register where as of today, January 2009 almost a complete year after I moved here, the clerks can be seen staring at the register in clouded confusion every time they do a return.....

But your point is taken, if the people leaving were day laborers who cannot afford to live here....see ya. I was also happy to hear the numbers of border crossing and day work is down quite a bit since last year. Except in Tijuana they said.

My nephew-in-law only has a HS diploma, but he is also a master (20+ years) plumber. He makes $55/hour with his job with a RR and also does freelance on the side. He is not hurting financially, even in NY.

He is an undesirable? A skilled tradesperson (including women), at least up North, can in fact be making more money than somebody with a college degree.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

Does immigrant overpopulation have anything to do with this? People have left SE Florida in drones for this very reason. Might it be affecting other parts of Florida now?

Not up here in Indian River County.

English is still the official and 95% most heard language in public. Other than that, I could care less who moves here or where they're from. We do have people here from other countries but not anything like in Dade or Broward and probably you could say even Palm Beach alot now...especially the type who insist Anglos need to speak something OTHER than English lol.

My husband struggled to speak English to me and his family and friends foreign and otherwise....24/7 after immigrating here and that is forever etched in my mind and a show stopper for me. I remember several of his foreign friends from Armenia, Russia, even So America doing the same. The only time you heard them in their native tongue was during a guy's night out playing cards or whatever....