[gypsychic]

Originally Posted by Pooring Footers

Yes. Although Denver may be too cold for too long, it definitely is much prettier and the scenery is much better. I dont think anyone can honestly say that endless shopping malls, cookie-cutter subdivisions, and traffic lights are more attractive than the scenery in Denver.

No, but I'll take the powder-white sand beaches and turquoise waters of the Gulf anyday over Denver. Not everywhere in Florida are the "endless shopping malls and cookie-cutter subdivisions. I'm sure Denver has it's share of those too.

Different strokes for different folks!

P.s. I LOOOOOOVE my warm weather!

[TANaples]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

You know, that actually helps explain a lot





Would seem to me that the "desirability" of an area to people in the country is the ACTUAL topic of this thread.

One would believe that if everyone caught on that Long Island was THE safest subburb, with it's A+++ schools, perfect climate, and perfect people, that Long Island would be on everyone's "must move to" list. But it's not. Because it's actually been losing population for many years now.

So the real question is, then, what do your statistics on crime have to do with the perception of Orlando/Tampa/FLorida as a desireable living destination for residents of the United States?

Let's see. My neighbor's kids grew up and moved away from LI. One daughter was doing an internship in college at Nickelodeon and got a job there when she graduated. She moved to Manhattan. Their other daughter graduated college and got a job in Boston.

One of my daughter's good friend's got a job out of college working for Rachael Ray in Manhattan. Her parents bought her a condo in Battery Park City (Manhattan).

Another one of her friends joined the Army and when he isn't in Iraq, he is living in North Carolina.

My older daughter moved here to Florida after Thanksgiving, "temporarily" as she said. She is going to NY this Friday to visit friends. They are getting together for her bday and to discuss renting a place together, so she thinks she will move back to LI in July.

I know very few people my age who actually left LI. One semi retired to, , PENNSYLVANIA. Another couple moved to North Carolina. I cannot think of anyone else.

Just a few people and there reasons for leaving LI. Incidentially, if you were to take a survey of who is moving to LI you would probably find that the vast majority are people who come from the 5 boroughs of NYC.

Of course, this is all irrelevant since this is about REAL PEOPLE, not statistics.

I am former Florida resident, current Florida resident, and hopefully a former Florida resident someday.

ALWAYS a New Yorker.

[Rachael84]

People are moving off of Long Island because of the high cost of living. A+ schools, very safe suburb, NYC within just a few miles, of course the cost of living is going to be high. If the cost of living wasn't so high, many more people would be wanting to live there. Everyone I personally know who's moving is going to another state in the northeast because they can't afford it anymore.

[Sunny-Days90]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

People are moving off of Long Island because of the high cost of living. A+ schools, very safe suburb, NYC within just a few miles, of course the cost of living is going to be high. If the cost of living wasn't so high, many more people would be wanting to live there. Everyone I personally know who's moving is going to another state in the northeast because they can't afford it anymore.

That is funny, who the heck would want to live in that weather, close to NYC for any amount of money?

They are all moving to Florida because it is cheaper to live in Florida then the NE. And you actually get a life instead of being bored and closed up in your home. Depression is high in the NE with the gray skies and no sunshine.

I am sorry, many people I know hate the NE. No way in the world would anyone in their right mind would want to live near NYC.

Look in the Florida forum, tons of people have left your world and now have a real life in Florida.

I am sorry we went to see the Statue of Liberty and did not think we were going to get out alive. Husband has tickets to a Yankees came that evening and we passed on it. No way in heck would be put our kids in that danger zone. Won't ever go back.


New York Losing Population

"But the South and West continued their population surges, with Florida continuing its advance to overtake the Empire State as the nation’s third-most populous state. The Sunshine State has 18.1 million residents. California continued as by far the nation’s most populous state, with 36.5 million residents, followed by Texas with 23.5 million."

[markhunt]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

That is funny, who the heck would want to live in that weather, close to NYC for any amount of money?

How about in NYC itself?

New York Only Non-Sun Belt City Amid Nation's Fastest-Growing | The New York Observer

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

They are all moving to Florida because it is cheaper to live in Florida then the NE.

Look in the Florida forum, tons of people have left your world and now have a real life in Florida.

Yes, there are a lot of people leaving NYC and I have no doubt coming down here to Florida.

New York Shows Gain in White Residents - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

That is funny, who the heck would want to live in that weather, close to NYC for any amount of money?

They are all moving to Florida because it is cheaper to live in Florida then the NE. And you actually get a life instead of being bored and closed up in your home. Depression is high in the NE with the gray skies and no sunshine.

I am sorry, many people I know hate the NE. No way in the world would anyone in their right mind would want to live near NYC.

Look in the Florida forum, tons of people have left your world and now have a real life in Florida.

I am sorry we went to see the Statue of Liberty and did not think we were going to get out alive. Husband has tickets to a Yankees came that evening and we passed on it. No way in heck would be put our kids in that danger zone. Won't ever go back.


New York Losing Population

"But the South and West continued their population surges, with Florida continuing its advance to overtake the Empire State as the nation’s third-most populous state. The Sunshine State has 18.1 million residents. California continued as by far the nation’s most populous state, with 36.5 million residents, followed by Texas with 23.5 million."

Everyone is going to have friends who have different preferences. People I know are moving further NORTH because there isn't enough snow (they like skiing). Most people I know would want to live this close to NYC. Some people don't care about the weather. It's very naive to think everyone wants to have weather like Florida. Not all of us do.

Also, if "everyone" wanted to leave because of the cold here, why do we still have the highest population in the country???

Some people would rather be in the greatest city in the world with every amenity in the world at their fingertips, than go to the beach everyday (*yawn*). It gets old after a while.

[ngrome]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90
That is funny, who the heck would want to live in that weather, close to NYC for any amount of money?

They are all moving to Florida because it is cheaper to live in Florida then the NE. And you actually get a life instead of being bored and closed up in your home. Depression is high in the NE with the gray skies and no sunshine.

I am sorry, many people I know hate the NE. No way in the world would anyone in their right mind would want to live near NYC.

Look in the Florida forum, tons of people have left your world and now have a real life in Florida.

I am sorry we went to see the Statue of Liberty and did not think we were going to get out alive. Husband has tickets to a Yankees came that evening and we passed on it. No way in heck would be put our kids in that danger zone. Won't ever go back.


New York Losing Population

"But the South and West continued their population surges, with Florida continuing its advance to overtake the Empire State as the nation’s third-most populous state. The Sunshine State has 18.1 million residents. California continued as by far the nation’s most populous state, with 36.5 million residents, followed by Texas with 23.5 million."

Originally Posted by Rachael84

Everyone is going to have friends who have different preferences. People I know are moving further NORTH because there isn't enough snow (they like skiing). Most people I know would want to live this close to NYC. Some people don't care about the weather. It's very naive to think everyone wants to have weather like Florida. Not all of us do.

Also, if "everyone" wanted to leave because of the cold here, why do we still have the highest population in the country???

Some people would rather be in the greatest city in the world with every amenity in the world at their fingertips, than go to the beach everyday (*yawn*). It gets old after a while.

I agree Rachael, we moved down here and enjoyed the beaches after two years, and it got old.

Sunny, you criticize DJ for pulling up stats and research that lean his way, yet you state "anyone" in their right mind would want to live near NYC, well, there's still millions of people around there that do. Please do not generalize to make a point. And to define what "real life" is, that's left up to people's own preferences. Again, you can defend with your own opinions as many of us do, but regardless of how many people move down here to FL, there's as many people staying where they are up north to have their own "real lives".

I don't know where you live in FL, but there's problem areas down here too. Some of those "problems" came from New York. So if you paint a not-so-rosy picture of NYC (which to me, is expected of a huge metropolitan area), you also have to consider some areas in FL that may have the same problems where you worry about your survival.

You may take that migration to FL as something to be proud of and is good news, but ask the native Floridians or those who have been here a while, they wished a lot of us stayed away. More people means more problems, so while NYC and even Chicago's population may be decreasing, those in Florida will increase, especially when the growth is uncontrolled, the infrastructure doesn't support it, and people who should not have bought homes that were out of their reach, to name a few. Over the past 10 years you can visibly see that, and refer to DJ's stats in increased crime.

Not everyone can afford to live in Windermere, Dr. Phillips, Lake Mary, Winter Park, and the so-called nice places where it's "problem free". In a separate thread I created, those are the folks who seem to be happiest in FL.

[Pooring Footers]

You all move down here just for warm weather and lower cost of living? That doesnt make you happy, there has to be more than that to move to another state. Perhaps this explains some of the... shall I say "unhappy" or "moodiness," I see often.

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

I am sorry we went to see the Statue of Liberty and did not think we were going to get out alive. Husband has tickets to a Yankees came that evening and we passed on it. No way in heck would be put our kids in that danger zone. Won't ever go back.."

Wow...just wow. If you missed out on seeing the Yankees before they moved stadiums, shame on you. I'm not a Yankee fan, but cmon, just because you're afraid of the area you avoid going to do something fun where thousands of people go everyday??? This is very typical small town thinking. You're missing out on a lot.

I happen to teach in the section of Yankee stadium. Except where I teach is a worse neighborhood. I'm a 24 year old white girl and I walk through the south Bronx when it's dark. NOTHING has ever happened to me. Quit your stereotyping

If you seriously think the south Bronx is that bad, you should have tried going to a Yankee game in the 70s. Your views of NYC are 30 years too late. It's not like that today. It's the safest major city in the country, and I have the sources to prove that.

[wandab509]

Huh? Orlando, the land of Disney, has admittedly, many appealing qualities. I have vacationed there for many years, and each year, I have needed to be more cognizant and cautious of my surroundings. I guess my surprise is with your statement that... "There is nothing wrong with Orlando". You are kidding, right?

Orlando is a city whose entire infrastructure is reliant upon the tourist dollar. The foreclosure rates in and around Orlando are currently alarming (and promise to get worse). It is no wonder, because the average Orlando region resident is attempting to survive in this mini wage/ no benefit mecca. In other words, what tourists cannot/ will not buy is unaffordable for the majority of Orlando residents. Orlando's personal crime risk is nearly 5 times the national average, and property crime risk is nearly 4 times the national average. Those crime figures compare similarly to another very depressed city, Detroit.

Orlando is a city of both positive and negative attributes, like any other city. It has its problems (sometimes better/sometimes worse) than any other region in the country
You know, I have lived in Detroit all my life and have never felt unsafe. I have been to central Florida several times of the year, and plan on relocating in one of the surrounding suburbs of Orlando. I want to be close to Disney because I love it there. I started to read these boards often after I decided to move my family there and for a moment was terified from what I read, but until I came back for a week during one of the hotest months and road the entire central area and neighborhoods, visited school, etc.. I have done my research and no what to expect. Crime is crime and its everywhere, no where is safe.

What I found was people over state issues oopose to what they really are. If I take the advice and listened to everything on this board and took it to heart I would have changed my mind about moving to Florida.

Many states are not for everyone, but I would not bash my state because I choose to move or want to move.

I want to move from Detroit because of the lack of upkeep of the city as a whole and that's it. I could move to the suburbs here, but I choose to move away from the snow. Done with it, don't want it anymore. With that said, I have never bashed my city or my state because whats good for one may no be good for the other. Many people here love Michigan (everything about it). I don't hate Michigan but just want a change. We also have just as many low paying jobs here as anyone else. No education or skill then tha's what you get. I find that people want something in higher return more than what they want to give. If you don't like the low paying jobs, do your research and find what you like to do in a higher paying field and get what you need to do it. Leave those low paying jobs for others.

People always say that they cant afford to go to school, well that what grants and loans are for, or go one clas at a time. Skill trade schools are everywhere if college is not an option. I say stop complaining and being lazy and do what you have to do to make it work......

Overtime you work it, and you see results.