[Future Trooper]

been reading some of the threads in the General US forum about" are people in the north jealous of Floridians" or something similiar and was wondering are Floridians jealous of people who live in the North?

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by gdude

been reading some of the threads in the General US forum about" are people in the north jealous of Floridians" or something similiar and was wondering are Floridians jealous of people who live in the North?

-Salaries are generally higher. ( Up North )

-Public schools are generally better. ( " " )

-Cost of living is generally lower. ( " " )

Whatever, people too often sacrifice these three (3) important details to live in warm weather. When a state's population blossoms 20% like Florida's in the last 10 years, there are too many applicants for any given job. I see a lot of independently wealthy contractors and tradesmen give up their stake in the North and move to Florida, only to make half as much, live in a trailer and become addicted to alcohol, drugs, or both.

Basically, these people shouldn't complain that there aren't enough "tech" jobs or better public schools in Florida, or that Florida isn't "intellectual" enough. You can't make something what it will never be...

[grapico]

I am ...

Florida to me is a nice place to visit (only the beaches), not to live, the people who live here for the most part have to deal with the consequences...

transients, higher crime, poor urban planning and schools (as they are just too new to keep up with the north), lower wages (similar reasons), etc.

It is also fine if you were approaching retirement age within 10 years and already had a lot of savings... For those of us who want to get ahead... not so much unless your family is rich or have connections. The whole "american dream" of making it is very hard for somebody starting out in Florida.

I honestly think the Florida government could have done a better job by now in innovating the economy and making it better for those who actually DO live here... i.e. first borns of families who moved here in 60s-80s for the most part. Instead, me and most of my friends end up leaving. Of my ~20 closest friends in university all but two of them I know of left Florida after graduating... Mostly to the north and west, and to those staying closer, to Atlanta and Charlotte primarily. They did a pretty good job getting more people into universities with Bright Futures but pretty much neglected actually having jobs to keep people once they finished. For me this is my biggest issue along with lots of sprawl and lack of sense of community as there are so many transients.

[FLBob]

You gotta be kidding me, jealous no way. I'm just glad people like it up there otherwise it would be way to crowded here.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by FLBob

You gotta be kidding me, jealous no way. I'm just glad people like it up there otherwise it would be way to crowded here.

Every house built in Florida since like 1990 is a "Cookie Cutter". You tellin me Florida isn't crowded already??? C'mon!

[grapico]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

Every house built in Florida since like 1990 is a "Cookie Cutter". You tellin me Florida isn't crowded already??? C'mon!

Central and south florida got way overcrowded due to poor urban planning. It would be a lot more centralized with a lot more public beaches, but everybody wants their own little spot and big house and swimming pool!

A few hoods in Miami are starting to go the opposite way though... which I think is a good thing.

[Future Trooper]

Originally Posted by grapico

I am ...

Florida to me is a nice place to visit (only the beaches), not to live, the people who live here for the most part have to deal with the consequences...

transients, higher crime, poor urban planning and schools (as they are just too new to keep up with the north), lower wages (similar reasons), etc.

It is also fine if you were approaching retirement age within 10 years and already had a lot of savings... For those of us who want to get ahead... not so much.

I honestly think the Florida government could have done a better job by now in innovating the economy and making it better for those who actually DO live here... i.e. first borns of families who moved here in 60s-80s for the most part. Instead, me and most of my friends end up leaving. Of my ~20 closest friends in university all but two of them I know of left Florida after graduating... Mostly to the north and west, and to those staying closer, to Atlanta and Charlotte primarily. They did a pretty good job getting more people into universities with Bright Futures but pretty much neglected actually having jobs to keep people once they finished. For me this is my biggest issue along with lots of sprawl and lack of sense of community as there are so many transients.

That is what I hear alot from friend and relatives of mine in Florida. to many transients who start trouble and create a burden on the local governments, reproduce and bring schools down and not many people fight their employers for higher wages is that I hear.

The town I live close to Indianapolis was incorporated in 1839 alot earlier than Indy. Indy has grown over the years and is knocking our our doorstep now. We've been able to resist the sprawling. The town I live in (27K people) still has that small town feel. most of the people who come here usually stay for a long time if not permanently.

[mrcoolmrcool28]

Originally Posted by gdude

been reading some of the threads in the General US forum about" are people in the north jealous of Floridians" or something similiar and was wondering are Floridians jealous of people who live in the North?

Only if they're nutz.

[grapico]

Originally Posted by gdude

That is what I hear alot from friend and relatives of mine in Florida. to many transients who start trouble and create a burden on the local governments, reproduce and bring schools down and not many people fight their employers for higher wages is that I hear.

The town I live close to Indianapolis was incorporated in 1839 alot earlier than Indy. Indy has grown over the years and is knocking our our doorstep now. We've been able to resist the sprawling. The town I live in (27K people) still has that small town feel. most of the people who come here usually stay for a long time if not permanently.

Well they are valid complaints for any resident anywhere in the U.S. if it is happening there. Most people who plan on staying somewhere want to better their communities. What sucks is some have been here for 20-30 years and see there is nothing being done about it, but getting worse.

I am not quite sure if it is public policy causing this, or just the very nature of what Florida is.

[FLBob]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

Every house built in Florida since like 1990 is a "Cookie Cutter". You tellin me Florida isn't crowded already??? C'mon!

I live in a house built in 1952, in a town where many homes date back to the 1920's. In an area that is not unpopulated but defiantly not crowded. Many perceptions of Florida are built on stereotypes, and in a state as large as Florida diversity exists you just gotta get off of I-95