[psouth]

Originally Posted by crystalblue

where are you getting your numbers from?

It has been in the newspapers lately but you can also google the information.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by psouth

It has been in the newspapers lately but you can also google the information.

What paper? How does it jive with the statistics I JUST posted, released from the Florida Department of Education, showing a graduation rate ABOVE the national average in Florida, at 75%+?

[psouth]

Originally Posted by kevinkagy

Not all Hispanics coming to Florida are illegal and uneducated. Quite contrary, there are many very wealthy and very well educated Hispanics coming from every country in Latin America to Miami. The Hispanics in Miami are different from the Hispanics in say LA. LA might get mostly uneducated, poorer Mexicans, Miami receives a diverse range of Hispanics of every color and creed, from every Latin American country and many that already speak English. Take places like Weston or Doral for example, two areas that are very affluent and home to a sizeable newly-arrived Venezuelans that have good jobs and speak English.

I wasn't dissing Hispanics in my post. I know there are educated and successful Hispanics here but from what I see on a daily basis most of the Hispanics coming here are uneducated and seeking a better life for themselves no matter how they can get it. If they were rich in their own countries they would not be uprooting and moving here. Look what has become of big parts of Miami and the rest of South Florida. Entire towns have become like a third world country where no one speaks English. I don't see the same work ethic like years ago or they would not be seeking free medical care and handouts, etc. It is a fact that free medical care to illegal Hispanics is costing the states billions and billions of dollars. Texas and Colorado are getting walloped by this. I guess if Mexico offered all this we would all be going there instead.

[psouth]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

What paper? How does it jive with the statistics I JUST posted, released from the Florida Department of Education, showing a graduation rate ABOVE the national average in Florida, at 75%+?

They had a segment on the local South Florida news about a year ago from what I remember. They could have been using older statistics. I am not sure which to believe. By the way I was reared in Florida and graduated from a Florida University myself. I would rather see the statistics much higher. I have heard on the news and from some companies themselves that they couldn't find the technical skillset or enough highly educated employees to expand their businesses to Florida. I just hope this has started to change and the stigma starts to disappear. A lot of high paying employers just won't take Florida seriously. It is like we are considered to be a bunch of slackers or something which not all of us are.

[Chrome Microphone]

SC has always had poor educational stats. It is also one of the highest states in poverty, and African American population. Now if you look at the region of SC where everyone is moving to, an was ranked 4th best place to live in the US, then look into the "upstate" area where you will find Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson. This area is very close to the NC/SC border, and very unlike the foothills and low-lying and poorer areas of SC. Parts of SC (as far as population, poverty, etc...) resemble places like Clewiston and places like that. I wouldnt say Belle Glade, that's far worse.

[DailyJournalist]

Originally Posted by Chrome Microphone

^^^ Due to these circumstances, it's no wonder good teachers are leaving FL, and good people are also leaving.

Another major issue is that Florida refuses to invest in education. A state the size of Florida should not be ranked 28 in teachers salaries. The good teachers will go where they will get compensated appropriatley.

State Rankings--Statistical Abstract of the United States--Public School Teachers' Average Salaries

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by Chrome Microphone

SC has always had poor educational stats. It is also one of the highest states in poverty, and African American population. Now if you look at the region of SC where everyone is moving to, an was ranked 4th best place to live in the US, then look into the "upstate" area where you will find Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson. This area is very close to the NC/SC border, and very unlike the foothills and low-lying and poorer areas of SC. Parts of SC (as far as population, poverty, etc...) resemble places like Clewiston and places like that. I wouldnt say Belle Glade, that's far worse.

If you're going to rationalize, I can do the same. Florida's large proportion of poor schools, particularly in high immigrant areas most families won't move to anyway, skew the overall statistics.

If everyone continued to move to the better, family oriented places in Palm Beach County, for example, such as Jupiter (rated "10" on Greatschools.net for its schools), Wellington, Boca Raton, etc., then that is fine.

By the way, rankings rating "the best place to live" are crap, and change every year. Gainesville, FL was ranked NUMBER ONE by some or another survey last year, and Royal Palm Beach, Florida, was in the Top Ten best cities for families according to Family Circle Magazine. No SC or NC, GA or TN cities made that list.

[DailyJournalist]

Originally Posted by crystalblue

where are you getting your numbers from?

Here is an article of a Palm Beach County lawsuit that was initiated because of low graduation rates.

Orlando Sentinel - A lawsuit over Florida's low high school graduation rates by

[DailyJournalist]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

What paper? How does it jive with the statistics I JUST posted, released from the Florida Department of Education, showing a graduation rate ABOVE the national average in Florida, at 75%+?

This article will explain why those numbers are so inflated:

http://www.shermandorn.com/mt/archiv...Graduation.pdf

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by DailyJournalist

This article will explain why those numbers are so inflated:

http://www.shermandorn.com/mt/archiv...Graduation.pdf

From the article I previously posted:

The state bases its graduation rate on data that follows every student from ninth grade to graduation, a method the state contends more accurately calculates the number of students who graduate high school.

Florida currently stands alone nationally in its practice of compiling and following individual student records to determine a four-year graduation rate.

In October, the United States Department of Education announced that all states must adopt a uniform graduation rate calculation by the year 2010-11. Florida is reviewing its graduation rate to determine what changes are needed to meet the new federal requirement.

You can pretty much google "ANY STATE inflated graduation rates" and receive a similar critique.



BTW, the WHITE graduation rate in Florida is something like 81%, compared to the "Hispanic" rate which is the 60s, and black rate, which is in the 50s.

Now, do we really think, then, that all these good folks who want to be around "real Americans" are actually going to be sending their kids to a school in the middle of Belle Glade or Pahokee?


Also, with respect to your link about Palm Beach County being sued by the ACLU:

Palm Beach was picked not because its a standout -- though its 2007 graduation rate 71.8 percent is below the state average of 72.4 percent. But because it made a good test case for a national problem, because of its size, diversity and history of low graduation rates, an ACLU attorney told our sister paper in South Florida.


Sounds to me like the ACLU is full of crap on this one.