[macguy]

Originally Posted by SKB

I guess the Grandparents should have said said the little girl was just "visiting" every day. Knowing HOA's they probably have a rule on how many visits you can get from your Grandchildren per week,month, year etc.. They probably have to have them leave the driveway by 12:00 am or face getting a fine.


My heart goes out to the child and I hope she never finds out how unwanted she was in her neighborhood. It might do some of those old goats some good having laughter of a child around the place.

HOA rules in my opinion go overboard on to many issues .

I much prefer living how I wish to live and if I choose to have boats and trucks in my driveway and metal swing sets in my backyard that is my business. I might go crazy and want to hang a flag in front of my house

In other words, you want the rights to do what ever you want, and that's fine. But you don't want someone else to have the right to live the way they want if you don't agree. I am afraid you have fallen into the rights trap and it's hypocrisy. You can't have rights without also granting them.

[SKB]

Originally Posted by macguy

In other words, you want the rights to do what ever you want, and that's fine. But you don't want someone else to have the right to live the way they want if you don't agree. I am afraid you have fallen into the rights trap and it's hypocrisy. You can't have rights without also granting them.

Hmmm, that is an excellent point and you are right my friend, I am guilty of being a hypocrite and I did without even meaning to.

Well, let me just say, it is good that we have choices in life, the right to choose to live in a HOA or not. I am glad we can accommodate everyone.
I do still think that the Grandparents should have kept quiet on having the grandchild with them. I am sure for the first couple of years no one would have even known she was there.
I hope they get this sorted out, as a parent and God willing one day a Grandparent, I would have absolutely done the same thing to protect my Grandchild.

SKB

[sunrico90]

Only 24 members voted on this thread. Lesson learned read and make sure that what we agree on paper is what we really want.

[SKB]

I never voted as I didn't care for the wording of the poll. I do not see this situation so cut and dry like that. I do not see HOA's as evil when they are trying to enforce their own rules.
Saying that I do have strong concerns considering that the welfare of a child is at stake and this should be the most important thing.

I think the wording of the pol would be improved by saying:

Should the HOA break their own policies to protect a life?

Yes or No

[sunrico90]

Originally Posted by SKB

I never voted as I didn't care for the wording of the poll. I do not see this situation so cut and dry like that. I do not see HOA's as evil when they are trying to enforce their own rules.
Saying that I do have strong concerns considering that the welfare of a child is at stake and this should be the most important thing.

I think the wording of the pol would be improved by saying:

Should the HOA break their own policies to protect a life?

Yes or No

SKB,
The ones that should have made a decision about 3 years ago were the granP's and they did not. Now they placed the whole family in a worst situation. Your statement of the welfare of a child is at stake and this should be the most important thing. is correct but the ones that should have acted on it fail to do so on a timely manner.

If the community desires on making a change to the bylaws, can create more trouble for all the members. I don't blame the HOI; the family signed the document to support and obey the guidelines of the HOI....Sad story....

[Jammie]

Just got on here and I don't know if anyone has already posted this, but tomorrow on the "Today" show on NBC there will be a story of grandparents having to make the decision whether to keep their house or to keep their grandchild. My guess it's the same story. Does anyone know what time of the day it is on? I'd love to tape it.

[SKB]

Originally Posted by sunrico90

SKB,
The ones that should have made a decision about 3 years ago were the granP's and they did not. Now they placed the whole family in a worst situation. Your statement of the welfare of a child is at stake and this should be the most important thing. is correct but the ones that should have acted on it fail to do so on a timely manner.

If the community desires on making a change to the bylaws, can create more trouble for all the members. I don't blame the HOI; the family signed the document to support and obey the guidelines of the HOI....Sad story....

I guess there is a lot to the story we do not know. Did the Grandparents know when they moved there that their daughter was a drug addict?

I think this story gives a valuable lesson on living in 55+ communities. I mean what if something happened to our adult children and we had to take the grandkids in and raise them? I wonder how many people that live in these type of communities have considered this thought?

My husband works in law enforcement and over dinner tonight I mentioned this situation. He said "sometimes rules need to be bent". This is coming from a hard ass immigration officer who doesn't think twice about refusing a family entry into the USA to Disneyland on vacation with the kids in tow if the law is going to be broken. With his combined career of Military police, civilian police and Immigration he has seen a lot of injured kids from car accidents and family violence.

SKB

Originally Posted by Jammie

Just got on here and I don't know if anyone has already posted this, but tomorrow on the "Today" show on NBC there will be a story of grandparents having to make the decision whether to keep their house or to keep their grandchild. My guess it's the same story. Does anyone know what time of the day it is on? I'd love to tape it.

Thanks for the heads up on that one.

What a horrible situation, they should consider renting their home out while they try to sell it.

[elfyum]

While it's sad, rules are rules. The reason our country is in the MESS it's in is because people don't follow rules anymore!!!
Drunk drivers, sex offenders, illegals - it goes on & on.
Either out of pity or wealth, somehow the rules always get broken.
I say, if the rules don't work, change them!
But it's hard to tell if they work if you don't FOLLOW them!
And compassion is a nice thing too - maybe a nice person or organization can take care of the daughter until the grandparents move...
Maybe they could get a loan.
There are answers that don't involve breaking the rules.
It's not even like this is an emergency.
I'm all for breaking rules for an extreme emergency!
But 3 years???

[Prichard]

While it's sad, rules are rules.

If only that were true. The fact is that If I develop a subdivision that excluded people 55 and over, political action groups like the ACLU and the AARP would be suing me from here to Jupiter for discriminating against the elderly. AND, they would win. However, there seems to be a hypocritical exception to this when the Elderly want to discriminate against younger people. This, ironically, is permitted and is legal.

How did this happen? The AARP is a powerful lobby. They got YOUR legislators to twist the laws to hypocritically favor them to the detriment of others. It is unbelievable to me, that in our "free" nation, I can't discriminate against hiring old people, or making communities that prohibit old people from living there, but the elderly as a class can discriminate against others. Is this fair? Is this just? Should this type of one sided law be alowed in the United States?

[Sunshine State]

why is it sad they dont want kids around?...lol, after all these years of raising them and working too, I dont particularly want them around me night and day either...

my mother is 83, yesterday she handed the IRS $650.00 ...she doesnt work, and hasnt in years, but she still pays taxes, lol, dam right, dont we all...so that gives her the same right as anybody else in this country to chose how she wants to live or die...

amazes me the way this thread is indirectly blaming the elderly for this .... hope I die young, or at least not too long from now, coz I hate to have to keep telling these little no neck monsters to get outta the pool coz my mom wants to take a dip and its her time in the cement pond, lol....

ya pay yer dues, ya got the right to dance yur own polka, sorry folks, but dems da real "rules"