[Nirvana-Guy]

Originally Posted by elfyum

While it's sad, rules are rules. The reason our country is in the MESS it's in is because people don't follow rules anymore!!!
Drunk drivers, sex offenders, illegals - it goes on & on.
Either out of pity or wealth, somehow the rules always get broken.
I say, if the rules don't work, change them!
But it's hard to tell if they work if you don't FOLLOW them!
And compassion is a nice thing too - maybe a nice person or organization can take care of the daughter until the grandparents move...
Maybe they could get a loan.
There are answers that don't involve breaking the rules.
It's not even like this is an emergency.
I'm all for breaking rules for an extreme emergency!
But 3 years???

I can certainly agree with that. People follow the rules based on whatever feels good, whatever is convenient, whatever is popular at the time.

There is no respect foir the rule of law. One prime example, as you pointed out, is the illegal alien issue. If you see the crime news and read some of the accident reports, almost everytime there is an illegal alien involved, with no license, no insurance, yet with a car and often a firearm.

I agree, the 3 year issue is the kicker here. They had 3 years to resolve this, yet they choose to do nothing. I guess, after reading more about it, I say kick the grandparents out. It is not the kid's fault, I blame the adults for letting this situation get to this point.

[Jammie]

Did anyone catch it on the "Today" show this morning? I watched it and sadly it didn't really offer much more then we already know. They showed the little girl, the Grandmother, and a couple of people each for the supporters of the HOA and the supporters of the Grandparents.

The only thing I can say about the three year thing is that the Grandparents were hoping to give the little girl back to her Mother, hoping of course that their daughter would be drug-free. But it just hasn't turned out that way.

And for those of you who have a different opinion then mine, I totally understand what you're saying. You're right~legally the Grandparents are in the wrong and it is too bad for some of the older people who don't want any children living there. But I still feel the same way as I originally did~I think they should let the little girl stay and not make the family move out. So maybe I'm just one of those "bleeding hearts", but I can't picture being the person who would actually have to go and force them to leave.

[macguy]

Originally Posted by Jammie

Did anyone catch it on the "Today" show this morning? I watched it and sadly it didn't really offer much more then we already know. They showed the little girl, the Grandmother, and a couple of people each for the supporters of the HOA and the supporters of the Grandparents.

The only thing I can say about the three year thing is that the Grandparents were hoping to give the little girl back to her Mother, hoping of course that their daughter would be drug-free. But it just hasn't turned out that way.

And for those of you who have a different opinion then mine, I totally understand what you're saying. You're right~legally the Grandparents are in the wrong and it is too bad for some of the older people who don't want any children living there. But I still feel the same way as I originally did~I think they should let the little girl stay and not make the family move out. So maybe I'm just one of those "bleeding hearts", but I can't picture being the person who would actually have to go and force them to leave.

What do you say to the hypothetical owner of the house next door who bought it a few months ago? Should they sue the HOA or the former owner who misrepresented the sale? Will the rest of the home owners have to share the legal expense? Don't you, at some point regardless of what the details of the story are, get tired of people making their problems everybody's else's and making you feel guilty because you don't share their unique problems?

We have so far drifted from a culture of people who just took simple responsibility to just a bunch of users, you don't know what to believe. Everything is an excuse or someone else's fault. At a point you just don't want to hear it any more. If people want, they can take up a collection and put them up somewhere till the house sells. Beyond that what are you supposed to do. This is not meant to be a debate and having compassion for people is commendable but given a chance they will dump on you as in this case.

It has been three years and instead of appreciating the leeway they have already been given, they are now turning on the very people who have extended them the curtesy trying to make them the bad guys. They lose all sympathy from me just due to that. They are completely ungrateful. Next will be a law suit I bet.

[sunrico90]

[quote=Sunshine State;534036]

amazes me the way this thread is indirectly blaming the elderly for this .... hope I die young, or at least not too long from now, coz I hate to have to keep telling these little no neck monsters to get outta the pool coz my mom wants to take a dip and its her time in the cement pond, lol....

Sunshine State,

I don't believe that anyone is blaming the elderly; we just look at the hard facts of the situation by the info that was presented.

Actually, the GranP's made a decision to purchase a house in a special community with special rules. The opted to live in a senior community and you must be of certain age to permanent reside in this community. Yes a bad situation did come across the GranP's and they did their best, but their decision goes against the document that they agree to live by.

I reviewed other senior community bylaws and they are very specific, because you the buyer must agree with the term and conditions and by signing you agree to the standards set by the admin group.

Place yourself as a judge that has to decide on the outcome of this situation;

Did the GrandP’s broke the rules agreed in the bylaws?

Did the HOA provided time to correct the situation?

Did the GrandP’s work in a swift manner to resolve the situation?

What other options are available?

What happen since the HOA was notified 3 years ago?

Why stay in the community if breaking the rules?

What is the view of the other residents?

Will they vote to change the bylaws?

We all can take either position on this situation. Yes, I want the best for the child, but do we penalize other members because of someone else misfortune/situation. If the family and the association could not agree in a solution, this has to solve to satisfy the other residents. Very difficult to approach and satisfy both side of this coin….

[kwflconch]

Try other areas in Florida, such as Land O Lakes and Lutz, they definetly welcome kids into the area.

[sunrico90]

Any new news on this issue?

[jpscogerpam]

I would like to say that my heart goes out to the familey. I don't know how the case turned out, but wish i did. I also am in a battle with my poa= hoa. I have a daughter that had a baby in sept. This year and had to move back home to get back on her feet. The economy has been so bad that her fiance has not been able to find work. He even went to truck driving school and is still looking for work. They don't want to be here either, but we have tried to find help with housing with no hope. Section 8 housing is closed and there is a 2 year waiting list. No where to turn. Don't have the funds available to put them anyplace else. What is a person to do?

[Geography Freak]

For all the hullabaloo about family values, this country is really hostile to children.

[faithfulFrank]

This thread is over a year and a half old....the link is no longer good, etc.
I'm closing the thread. If there is still RELEVANT interest, someone can start a new thread with all the facts, etc.

Frank D.