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Old 07-13-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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To each his own, retiredcoach, to each his own. I've been to Ohio once a year for the last 40 years and even with it's 'amenities' it's still Ohio.
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Even with all our crises we're still in better shape than California. We certainly are not the only state with a water crisis, Georgia also has a crisis as well as the western states. And even though our insurances have increased over the years, we probably pay no more than the other top 10 populous states...probably not as much. And we still don't pay income tax.

I hope Florida does learn this time around that building houses and bringing in tourists are not the only routes to take. We need new industries to employ people before they'll start moving back to Florida and to keep those who are growing up here.

And I don't see us in a recovery period yet. We may have stopped most of the bleeding, but at best we're we're still in the serious to critical stage.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Vero Beach, Fl
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"Learning" has always taken a backseat to "greed." Citizens of Florida know how to do the former, but with local governments who simply don't get that a penny tax increase is designed for a specific project and not open season to spend on frivolous projects, with runaway growth (didn't we read over a decade ago that we were running out of land?), adding to poor management of resources (South Florida Water Management District) - I welcome you to south Florida.

I have lived here for many years never thinking I would be here beyond five. I never thought that the house we purchased in 1994 would be worth what it is today - the American Dream in Florida has taken a decided turn. While we will continue to remain optimistic, even that can try the most optimistic and patient of us.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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Ohio is a beautiful state with amenities that Florida residents can only wish to have available.
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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I don't have the link but someone posted a recent list of 25 worst neighborhoods in the US. A Cincinnati neighborhood was number one.
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Old 07-13-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Wink Keeping a perspective

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I am not a resident of Ohio, but because Pittsburgh is a "turnpike neighbor", my family and I often will take short jaunts over our state's western border. The economy and the ongoing lackluster state government leadership have greatly affected this beautiful state adversely. This is greatly evident in the quality of the public schools and the ever-expanding pockets of crime infestation... drawing many parallels with our visits to Florida.

Most of our visits have been limited to the eastern part of the state. The weather during our last visit was spectacular, rivaling Florida during the best of winter months. The drive was comfortable, "green" everywhere, and the midwestern farm life was unmistakable as we cruised across a uncrowded/non-congested Ohio turnpike. The old homes and spectacular architecture were evident in many of the small towns... postcard quality. We visit the state during each of 3 seasons, and each is better than the rest. There is something to be said about watching the color of the leaves change in the fall to the evolution of the new growth in the spring EVERYWHERE.

Within a few hours of Pittsburgh is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Great Lakes Science Center, a large dose of small town America with affordable homes, NFL Hall of Fame in Canton,the Great Lakes, Playhouse Square Center, et al. Cleveland has an absolutely stunning baseball stadium... the perfect venue to see any game. Ohio can be criticized on many fronts, but too many miss much of the state's true beauty.

Yeah, Florida is a great place to visit for many of its unique qualities, but that does not mean that Ohio does not have its own unparalleled qualities, too. Sometimes the beaches, the hot, the traffic, the great expense, and the congestion get old for even the most diehard of Florida visitors and residents. I see Ohio as having its perceived flaws to some, but sometimes one has to look beyond the surface to recognize that the quality of life cannot always be defined strictly by the sunshine.
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Marion County, FL
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I admire your optimism, and hope that you are correct. I still hope to become a "halfback" one day, but retirement will have to wait for a better economy, as well. By the way, I was in Ohio last week. I visited the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Pro Football Hall of Fame en route to our visit to Lake Erie. We had little traffic anywhere we chose to travel. The temperatures were in the low 80's, little humidity, and the sunshine was constant. Florida does not have exclusivity to sunshine; Ohio is a beautiful state with amenities that Florida residents can only wish to have available.
But don't forget the horrid winters that Ohio and many other states suffer. Many people (including my husband and myself) are moving to Florida to escape that.
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Marion County, FL
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Even with all our crises we're still in better shape than California. We certainly are not the only state with a water crisis, Georgia also has a crisis as well as the western states. And even though our insurances have increased over the years, we probably pay no more than the other top 10 populous states...probably not as much. And we still don't pay income tax.
I called for a price quote on the house we're buying in Florida -- it's $100 less then we currently pay here in NJ, for the same liability coverage -- on a larger house.
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Old 07-14-2009, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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But don't forget the horrid winters that Ohio and many other states suffer. Many people (including my husband and myself) are moving to Florida to escape that.
If one focuses purely on the negatives, there is not a place on this earth that will make you happy. I personally would not move to Florida strictly for avoiding the snow any more than I would move to Ohio strictly for the changing leaves in the fall. Unfortunately, too many expect that a Florida relocation will give them sunshine and beaches to cure all the unhappiness, uncertainty, anger, and discomfort that they have at their current home, but become greatly agitated when reality sets in. Florida and Ohio both have advantages/disadvantages to their settings/amenities. Life goes by too fast, and one needs to live the positives.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Marion County, FL
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If one focuses purely on the negatives, there is not a place on this earth that will make you happy.

You have no clue what would or would not make me happy.

I personally would not move to Florida strictly for avoiding the snow any more than I would move to Ohio strictly for the changing leaves in the fall.

You and I are two different people.


Unfortunately, too many expect that a Florida relocation will give them sunshine and beaches

We're not moving to the coast, so beaches don't factor in to the decision.

to cure all the unhappiness, uncertainty, anger, and discomfort that they have at their current home,

Excuse me? Are you a mindreader? How can you know what my situation is here in NJ?

but become greatly agitated when reality sets in.

Don't think so.

Florida and Ohio both have advantages/disadvantages to their settings/amenities.

For myself, I see no advantages to Ohio. I'm not a Reds or Indians fan, watch one football gale a year (no, not the Super Bowl -- the Army-Navy Game), and I detest cold winters. Oh, yeah, I'll definitely miss being able to get to Yankee Stadium in less than 90 minutes by public transportation, but since I only go to 4-6 games a year, it's not a factor -- and I'll be able to drive down to Tamp for spring training, and to watch them when they come in to play the Rays -- yes, I'll be one of those Florida residents wearing Yankee paraphernalia and rooting for the invaders from the Bronx).

Life goes by too fast, and one needs to live the positives.
Considering the fact that the winters will be milder by an incredible magnitude (I'm tired of paying to have the snow shoveled because neither my husband nor I can due to back problems), the cost of living (including property taxes, and a zero state income tax) will be much lower, and we can get a much larger home and piece of property for a fraction of what we pay here in NJ -- you'd better believe I'm focusing on the positives.
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