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Old 08-04-2009, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Now you have me wanting to go to Six Flags!




Yeah, It's about time for a trip
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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Yeah, It's about time for a trip

Looks great but my wallet is still recovering from Disney!!
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Old 08-04-2009, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Marion County, FL
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The Yankees are one of the most successful sports franchises in terms of History, yes. However, in the last 30 years they've only won 4 World Series Titles.

Has any other team won more WS titles in that time period?

There are several teams out there that exploit the rules and sit back and collect revenues and don't spend money on players, That is true but at the same time, Do you honestly think a team like the Pirates, Reds, or Royals could go out and have a $300 million dollar payroll ?

I didn't say they could, or should (and no one in baseball has a $300 million payroll) -- but it would behoove them to put the money into a decent roster rather than cheating the fans, which is exactly what they do when the money they receive in revenue sharing alone is far more than their entire payroll. No -- instead, they sell off personnel at the trading deadline. Is it any wonder they can't attract a fan base? Look at the Red Sox - they may not have won a WS from 1918-2004, but they still kept their fans because at least they put the best team on the field that they could.

Come on - when a multibillionaire like Carl Pohlad offers up his team as a candidate for contraction, something is wrong. What kind of message did that send to the Twins' fans? Say what you want about Steinbrenner, but he always put money into his team rather than just taking it out. And the smaller market teams love it when the Yankees come to town, because the gate explodes. Teams that never have sellouts sell every seat when the Yankees come to town.

No. Baseball's financial system is a joke. How many teams would/could win the World Series by spending $300 million ?

It's a joke.

I love baseball, have since I was a kid. I'll never put the game above the NFL though, Not unless they put some kind of salary cap into the game.

If you want a cap, you have to have an accompanying floor -- which the owners won't ever go for. They don't want to be told they have to spend their money.

The big dogs, Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Dodgers, They will NEVER allow a salary cap to go into place. It would screw them out of buying whatever good players are availible each year for their pennant run.

No, it's the union which will never allow a cap to be put into place.

It's a VERY boring post season when 6-7 of the 8 playoff teams are the same every season.
Maybe if teams like the Twins spent the revenue sharing money on resigning their own homegrown talent, instead of letting players like Torii Hunter go as a free agent, or trading away Johan Santana for a bag of balls, they could be as competitive as they should be.

And it wasn't Steinbrenner who set baseball on its current course -- it was Tom Hicks who gave A-Rod the $252 million contract when Alex was a Ranger. I think he bought a yacht with his share of the revenue sharing funds that season....
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Has any other team won more WS titles in that time period?


MLB teams or pro sports in general ?

Florida, Toronto, Minnesota, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Philadelphia, and Boston have all won 2 in the last 30 years.

NFL, The 49ers have won 5 in the last 30 years, several have won 3.

NBA, Lakers ? Bulls ?


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I didn't say they could, or should (and no one in baseball has a $300 million payroll) -- but it would behoove them to put the money into a decent roster rather than cheating the fans, which is exactly what they do when the money they receive in revenue sharing alone is far more than their entire payroll. No -- instead, they sell off personnel at the trading deadline. Is it any wonder they can't attract a fan base? Look at the Red Sox - they may not have won a WS from 1918-2004, but they still kept their fans because at least they put the best team on the field that they could.

Come on - when a multibillionaire like Carl Pohlad offers up his team as a candidate for contraction, something is wrong. What kind of message did that send to the Twins' fans? Say what you want about Steinbrenner, but he always put money into his team rather than just taking it out. And the smaller market teams love it when the Yankees come to town, because the gate explodes. Teams that never have sellouts sell every seat when the Yankees come to town.


Boston, like New York, has a population over 2-3 million people. Minnesota, Kansas City, and teams like that don't have the population to draw fans from. The Yankees benefited from the boom in television coverage and the internet in a time (mid-late 90's) when they were dominant. Yeah, They have fans world wide. When's the last time you saw a Twins game ? It's been years for me.


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If you want a cap, you have to have an accompanying floor -- which the owners won't ever go for. They don't want to be told they have to spend their money.


Agreed, and those owners are a part of the problem. The biggest problem would be setting a salary cap of 125 million when you have teams like the Yankees and Red Sox currently around $300 million, How would they cut that salary without violating their contracts ?

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No, it's the union which will never allow a cap to be put into place.


No player is bigger than the game. The NFL union ended up allowing a salary cap in 1993. If MLB wants to survive long term they need to install a cap and if the union doesn't like it, They can strike and we can watch alot of minor league players play. Eventually, primadonna MLB players will cross the picket lines when they run out of money.

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Maybe if teams like the Twins spent the revenue sharing money on resigning their own homegrown talent, instead of letting players like Torii Hunter go as a free agent, or trading away Johan Santana for a bag of balls, they could be as competitive as they should be.

And it wasn't Steinbrenner who set baseball on its current course -- it was Tom Hicks who gave A-Rod the $252 million contract when Alex was a Ranger. I think he bought a yacht with his share of the revenue sharing funds that season....
The Twins wouldn't have been able to keep Santana. His salary would have bankrupted the Twins. Hunter, I don't know. As far as Hicks goes, He owned a small market team and made a huge splash by signing A-Rod to that deal. It eventually started to cripple the team and he was dealt away. We probably won't agree but hell, It is what it is.
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:25 PM
 
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THaz not fare, the rates are getting high and high , middle class peolpe can hardly arange the money to visit that dream place , and they are increasing there rates, thatz really absurd
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: midwest
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The rates when the park opened was $3.50 an adult, just to get in the gate. To get 11 rides plus admission was $5.75. Each ride thereafter was another 50 cents. So lets say you're on a given ride 20 times in an entire day (like 10 hours). We'll that's a ride every half hour and it would have cost $10.25. 30 occurences in an entire day, That's $15.25.
What if you think you could actually fit in a 12-13 hour day and do as much as you could with your money...take away an hour and a half for eating throughout the day, some rides take a half hour to wait for, let's say about 10% of them, the rest you can get on within 5-10 minutes. That may put someone at about 50 rides and you'd be exausted... but it would cost right around $25.

OK so the cost of living in the early 70's was around $1 for every $5.40 today. So that means when the park opened it would have cost in today's money...
$18.90 to be a spectator
$31.05 to get in and ride eleven rides
$55.35 to start to have some fun for a day
$82.35 to be an average patron (Are you paying attention now???)
$135 to really enjoy yourself and/or your family for a full day.

I'm sorry people but I think that we are fortunate to not have them raising prices on us to these levels. The trick is to do as much as you can because we don't have all those complicated ways of getting tickets anymore. Food and all the other stuff was still a necessity back then too and not included with the ticket. But remember, the park was not something people did anytime the wanted to. It wasn't even something done every year. It was an exception to all the other amusements parks and therefore needs to be compensated appropriately for being so.

Go a little easy on the costs of Disney. They're cutting us a break...
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