[121804]

Originally Posted by doggiebus

I have never seen Miami on the list before! You are not surprised that Miami is higher on teh list than NYC or San Fran, wow.

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004...hisSpeed=20000

2004.

From Forbes in 2005...17th most expensive zip code...
17 33109 MIAMI BEACH, FL $1,505,655 [average cost of home]
(I know it is Miami Beach, but still... Miami area)


For some reason, I personally have never thought Miami was a desirable nor an affordable place to live. I don't know how anyone could think it was cheap. Has it ever really been that cheap?

[unixpilot]

Originally Posted by 121804

Have you ever lived in a 3rd world country?

I have. 2 years in Mexico City, 6 months in Colombia, 6 months in one of the poorest provinces in China, and several extended trips to former Communist East Block countries.

IMHO, I would agree that the MENTALITY of the people in Miami is truly 3rd world like.

Obviously the infrastructure is worlds above most REAL 3rd world countries, but there is NO other city in America where I get that "3rd world" feeling like in Miami (and I've lived in Miami off & on for over 8 years)

Especially comparing Miami to 2nd/3rd world countries in Latin America

[killaloe]

A spring home-selling season that's looking like a bust and pressure from growing inventories of houses in the resale market should intensify home-price declines in the second half of 2007, Wall Street analysts say.
"We think the housing downturn has decisively moved to its second act of falling prices," wrote Deutsche Bank in a report to clients Monday.

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Stor...ist=RNPullDown

[doggiebus]

For the first time in years, three of the nation's largest moving companies say they're transporting more customers out of Florida than into it.

In 2006, what the industry calls "outbound" moves actually surpassed "inbounds," according to data from United, Atlas and Allied van lines. The industry had seen a steady increase in the number of customers heading out of the state in the past five years.

2006 UNITED VAN LINES IN 16,212 OUT 17,019

2006 ATLAS VAN LINES IN 6,716 OUT 7,994

2006 ALLIED VAN LINES IN 6,953 OUT 8,894

[doggiebus]

Originally Posted by 121804

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2004...hisSpeed=20000

2004.

From Forbes in 2005...17th most expensive zip code...
17 33109 MIAMI BEACH, FL $1,505,655 [average cost of home]
(I know it is Miami Beach, but still... Miami area)


For some reason, I personally have never thought Miami was a desirable nor an affordable place to live. I don't know how anyone could think it was cheap. Has it ever really been that cheap?

Thanks I was looking for that, I had never seen that, hell Miami moved up though.
That zip 33109 is a private island/private club Fisher Island not really Miami Beach.

[Hondax]

Originally Posted by doggiebus

For the first time in years, three of the nation's largest moving companies say they're transporting more customers out of Florida than into it.

In 2006, what the industry calls "outbound" moves actually surpassed "inbounds," according to data from United, Atlas and Allied van lines. The industry had seen a steady increase in the number of customers heading out of the state in the past five years.

2006 UNITED VAN LINES IN 16,212 OUT 17,019

2006 ATLAS VAN LINES IN 6,716 OUT 7,994

2006 ALLIED VAN LINES IN 6,953 OUT 8,894

Doggiebus,
Now we are getting to the meat and potatoes.....thank you. Do they have stats for 2000- 2005?

[luvthatmouse]

Originally Posted by Hondax

My Real Estate agent said that for every person leaving Florida there are 6 moving down. He further stated that two years ago the ratio was 1:9, before the Hurricane onslaught and end of the price escalation. This seems to explain the 26,000-ish homes in PBC up for sale.

Based on some of the comments here, Florida must be filled with some very unhappy people. I just can't believe that to be true because that also would mean a lot of dummies out there that hadn't done their homework. People I know are smarter than that.

Ex-Upstate NY'er

I have come to the conclusion that those in charge in Florida (politicians, developers, real estate agents) LOVE all the turnover. It means more new car registrations, more taxes going UP each time something sells again and the same homes re-selling over and over= new commissions. They LOVE all the New Yorkers and people from MA and PA and the UK coming here trying to make it and leaving within a few years when they can not live on the wages. We see businesses closing all the time because people have NO $ to support them. Then some new one opens and that one goes under in a year. Those in charge are in for a rude awakening when there are no more police, firemen, and teachers left in Florida because they all moved out Like Key West they will be bussing them in from hours away!

Florida has changed a lot in the past few years. Many people did their research before moving but it is amazing what happend in a short amount of time. Also, many people on here have been in Florida for generations-they did not just step off the moving truck.

[tallrick]

And how many of those people are self-sufficient, and how many will rely on Florida's low paying employment to earn a living?

[doggiebus]

Originally Posted by Hondax

Doggiebus,
Now we are getting to the meat and potatoes.....thank you. Do they have stats for 2000- 2005?

2006 UNITED VAN LINES..........MOVING IN-16,212.......... MOVING OUT-17,019
2005 UNITED VAN LINES..........IN-18,601..........OUT-15,726
2004 UNITED VAN LINES..........IN-20,455..........OUT-13,673

2006 ATLAS VAN LINES..........IN-6,716..........OUT-7,994
2005 ATLAS VAN LINES..........IN-8,579..........OUT-8,256
2004 ATLAS VAN LINES..........IN-9,069..........OUT-7,180

2006 ALLIED VAN LINES..........IN-6,953..........OUT-8,894
2005 ALLIED VAN LINES..........IN-9,385..........OUT-9,300
2004 ALLIED VAN LINES..........IN-10,722.........OUT-8,987

[kort677]

Originally Posted by doggiebus

IN OUT
2006 UNITED VAN LINES IN 16,212 OUT17,019
2005 UNITED VAN LINES IN 18,601 OUT15,726
2004 UNITED VAN LINES IN 20,455 OUT13,673

2006 ATLAS VAN LINES IN 6,716 OUT7,994
2005 ATLAS VAN LINES IN 8,579 OUT8,256
2004 ATLAS VAN LINES IN 9,069 OUT7,180

2006 ALLIED VAN LINES IN 6,953 OUT8,894
2005 ALLIED VAN LINES IN 9,385 OUT9,300
2004 ALLIED VAN LINES IN 10,722 OUT8,987

could it be that less people are using these companies? FLA claims to receive almost 1k new people everyday