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Old 04-08-2010, 12:05 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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Many Floridians,oldies & new transplants,like me,appreciate all the positives of this state.
Meanwhile,we all know the drawbacks of California.
Statistics show that in terms of internal migration ,FL& TX are the premium choices...

How can we avoid our state becoming a second California ?
How can we have quality & "regulated " migration..?
What policies should we follow or not ,from offshore oil drilling to Pharaonian high speed trains..?

Should we drop the state property tax?
Tighten the zoning regulations,increasing the subdivision size..?

Let's hear your opinions...
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Old 04-09-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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Many Floridians,oldies & new transplants,like me,appreciate all the positives of this state.
Meanwhile,we all know the drawbacks of California.
Statistics show that in terms of internal migration ,FL& TX are the premium choices...

How can we avoid our state becoming a second California ?
How can we have quality & "regulated " migration..?
What policies should we follow or not ,from offshore oil drilling to Pharaonian high speed trains..?

Should we drop the state property tax?
Tighten the zoning regulations,increasing the subdivision size..?

Let's hear your opinions...
I don't agree with much of your post. Drop the state property tax and local communities would rely on what-selling raffle tickets? Increase subdivision size? They're already too big. "Quality and regulated migration"-what's that mean-only rich, white people allowed? This is still the United States and anyone can move anywhere.
For all of California's drawbacks, Florida has just as many. California also has a plethora of positives that are many times more obvious than whatever positive Florida has.
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Old 04-09-2010, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Via del Mar, Chile
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I don't agree with much of your post. Drop the state property tax and local communities would rely on what-selling raffle tickets? Increase subdivision size? They're already too big. "Quality and regulated migration"-what's that mean-only rich, white people allowed? This is still the United States and anyone can move anywhere.
For all of California's drawbacks, Florida has just as many. California also has a plethora of positives that are many times more obvious than whatever positive Florida has.
I'm gonna have to agree with vaughn on this one. I love south florida and wouldn't willingly live anywhere else.. but taking a generic person I have a hard time seeing how florida would be high on their list besides the climate.
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:12 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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California is broke for many reasons but the thing that stands out more then anything is the massive spending on entitlement programs.

If you look into the data you will find that California spends so much money on free governmental programs such as welfare, free health care, etc.

Florida needs to find ways to avoid those same things.

The spending needs to done in a way that something is returned on the investment.

I do not agree with limitations of certain things as you mentioned but do agree to limit anything the state spends and gets nothing in return for it.

This entire country needs to stop the crazy spending and find ways that give the tax payer a return on their investment.

Right now only 47% of us pay Federal Taxes which is absurd. We need everyone to pull their own.

Florida needs to find ways to collect more money from those who are not paying their fair share to use the goods and services Florida offers.

We can no longer allow totally free usage of goods and services in Florida and in every other state.
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Old 04-09-2010, 11:53 PM
 
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The good news is that Floridas tax rate is much, much lower then California's. California has extremely high taxes and is still struggling with debt. Florida at least can raise taxes or add a state income tax and still be somewhat reasonable in terms of tax rate compared to other states.
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Old 04-10-2010, 03:16 AM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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Oops,,Fl to...raise taxes..?

We are talking about how to ...lower taxes...

Increasing the subdivision size,will increae the price of lots,so only succesful people will be able to afford FL land...

Unlike TX,where all the deadbeats are heading,because of the ridiculously low land prices...
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:09 AM
 
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Oops,,Fl to...raise taxes..?


Increasing the subdivision size,will increae the price of lots,so only succesful people will be able to afford FL land...
How's that, Harry? Ever hear of supply and demand? Increase subdivision size and the price of lots will go down.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Atlanta/Tallahassee/Chicago/Lakeland
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How's that, Harry? Ever hear of supply and demand? Increase subdivision size and the price of lots will go down.
The prices will never go down as long as you have major developers buying all the land to turn a profit. Florida crossed and burned that bridge a long time ago.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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Maybe I don't use the proper terms...
By subdivision I mean lot size.
Increasing the lot size,will increase its selling price,as an item...

Instead of having 2 clients for 2 lots of 1 acre at 500K,u will have 1 client for 1 lot of 2 acres at 750K.
U drive away those who can afford to 500k & attract those who can find 750K...

Also,if the state property tax is substituted by,say,a 1% VAT,then the FL real estate will see golden days...
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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Is this the "I want lower taxes" thread? because this is not the Florida of 50 years ago! You have nearly 20 million people in this state now and at some point this growth has to be payed for in some way. I believe in Florida the state mandates a balanced budget so if this is your main concern I suggest moving to a low tax, low growth state.
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