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Old 06-15-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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Your reasoning makes perfect sense to me. Ira Leifer who was on NBC Nghtly News last night said he believed that Top Kill caused more problems than it solved. Maybe what you describe is what he was referring to. He is also the same scientist who they had on there about a week ago who said this could potentially go on for *years.*

I guess our hope now lies solely with those relief wells. Nelson clearly said if they can get deep enough they could potentially plug the area along the pipe before it hits the area of the compromised pipe/well that may be leaking underneath the seabed.
Today,s hearings pretty much confirmed this. The BP guy said there was drilling equipment when the explosion happened in the pipe. This is not a hollow tube as we have envisioned but had a hard drilling bit in it maybe thousands of feet down. When that pipe broke loose and bent over falling to the gulf floor. The drilling bit in it would have certainly damaged the pipe below the gulf bottom. Maybe even shearing it off and what is coming through the pipe may be the smallest part of the flow.

The experts are saying now there is no way to cap off the pipe no matter what. It may be broken in several places and leaking who knows how much oil. They said it will be a miracle if the get it stopped with the relief well without huge luck. If it is damaged too close the the oil source they will never be able to stop it. They may in fact be looking at the nuclear idea as a last resort. We may have not seen the worst with this thing.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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This doesn't look good. If the oil clogs this desalination plant, Florida faces water shortages and blackouts:

Bay area utility shut downs could lead to rate increases - Tampa Bay Business Journal
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Old 06-15-2010, 11:42 PM
 
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Today,s hearings pretty much confirmed this. The BP guy said there was drilling equipment when the explosion happened in the pipe. This is not a hollow tube as we have envisioned but had a hard drilling bit in it maybe thousands of feet down. When that pipe broke loose and bent over falling to the gulf floor. The drilling bit in it would have certainly damaged the pipe below the gulf bottom. Maybe even shearing it off and what is coming through the pipe may be the smallest part of the flow.

The experts are saying now there is no way to cap off the pipe no matter what. It may be broken in several places and leaking who knows how much oil. They said it will be a miracle if the get it stopped with the relief well without huge luck. If it is damaged too close the the oil source they will never be able to stop it. They may in fact be looking at the nuclear idea as a last resort. We may have not seen the worst with this thing.
Here's some video that confirms that the oil is coming up from the sea floor. It starts of slowly, but gets progressively worse as the ROV travels around (probably disturbance from silt on bed after it starts moving):

YouTube - alexhiggins732's Channel
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:18 AM
 
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And Obama's oil speech last night was awful. Even MSNBC is criticizing it.
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Old 06-16-2010, 06:36 AM
 
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Agreed, totally pointless.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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As it turns out, this spill won't be all that devestaing. the impact over the next few years will be pretty intense, but then things will be back to normal.

Ixtoc offshore well: Gulf's other massive oil spill no longer apparent - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/12/2012136/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html - broken link)
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Old 06-19-2010, 07:24 AM
 
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As it turns out, this spill won't be all that devestaing. the impact over the next few years will be pretty intense, but then things will be back to normal.

Ixtoc offshore well: Gulf's other massive oil spill no longer apparent - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/12/2012136/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html - broken link)
That spill was in shallow water though.
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Old 06-19-2010, 10:02 AM
 
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As it turns out, this spill won't be all that devestaing. the impact over the next few years will be pretty intense, but then things will be back to normal.

Ixtoc offshore well: Gulf's other massive oil spill no longer apparent - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/12/2012136/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html - broken link)
They are using a pretty broad time frame. They are talking about a spill that was over 30 years ago and things are mostly back to normal. That is not a sobering thought. Things will never be back to normal, there will just be a "New Normal". The new normal may be oil washing up on beaches and having to close down for a week to clean it up and this can go on for decades.

At that point, like everything in life, people will have forgotten what it was like before they didn't have oil on the beaches now and then, thus the "New Normal". It will never be what it was and most people will not be able to wait decades to get their lives back and for many life will never be the same. I guess it is what someones definition is of what "Normal" is, or was.

The tragedy here is, this is not like a hurricane, flood or earthquake. This was the result of a man made tragedy that it seems should never have happened. That is the part that make it even harder for the victims to deal with. The term "Act of God" does not apply here. How do you make it up to the people who will lose everything?
By the way, when is the last time you saw a story about the Haitian earthquake? Soon the news trucks, cameras, and reporters will be gone and the next big story will grab the headlines and those people will still be there forgotten. In fact, after a time the American people will not want to even be reminded of it any more as they go about their own lives. It happens every time.

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Old 06-19-2010, 10:36 AM
 
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Default Bad news for a long long time to come..

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As it turns out, this spill won't be all that devestaing. the impact over the next few years will be pretty intense, but then things will be back to normal.

Ixtoc offshore well: Gulf's other massive oil spill no longer apparent - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/12/2012136/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html - broken link)
Normally I don't have much use for msnbc, but the tape doesn't lie. See what is still in Prince William Sound:

Oil plagues sound 20 years after Valdez - Environment- msnbc.com
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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As it turns out, this spill won't be all that devestaing. the impact over the next few years will be pretty intense, but then things will be back to normal.

Ixtoc offshore well: Gulf's other massive oil spill no longer apparent - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/12/2012136/ixtoc-offshore-well-gulfs-other.html - broken link)
IXTOC spill was in shallow water (150 ft) and much of the oil was burned off at the surface. This well is at 5,000 ft below the surface and the oil and dispersants are spreading horizontally along the sea floor. I feel that comparing the two is a comparison of apples to oranges. These are two completely different situations. Maybe the spill will not be as bad as people are forecasting but I don't think any of us know at this point.
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